June 20, 2023 — Meeting Transcript

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Planned Commission ARB for June 20th. If you have any electronic gadgets, please silence them.

Start with roll call.

Steve Lichtenfeld. Here. Carolyn Gatiss.

Here.

Bridget McAndrew.

Here.

Bob Denlow.

Bob Denlo.

Here.

Helen DiFate.

Ellen DeFayette.

Here.

Kami Waldman.

Jamie Waldman.

Here.

David Gipson. Here.

David Gibson. Here.

Okay, we have... Minutes from the previous meeting on June 5th, are there any changes to it? Well-reported. Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. We'll move into new business. And the first item is 8220 and 8260 Forsyth. And Ryan?

The project includes two parcels located on the west side of Forsyth Boulevard between Maryland Avenue and Parkside Drive. On June 14, 2022, the Board of Aldermen approved the rezoning, planned unit development, and log consolidation plan of the subject properties for the development of a mixed-use residential condo with ground floor commercial space. A condition of the consolidation plot was included that a mylar be recorded within 30 days of Board of Aldermen approval. The developers did not close on the sale of these properties within the time and did not complete the recording of the plat. The previous approval of the plat has expired and the applicant is requesting approval again. The proposed plat and associated development have not changed since previous approval. Staff recommends that this board recommend approval to the Board of Aldermen with the following conditions. One, that the applicant provide a mylar with surveyor's signature and the property owner's signature for approval that would save Clayton signatures and the subdivision ordinance requirements after the Board of Alderman approval. And that the applicant files flat with the St. Louis County Recorder of Deeds Office and submit proof of the filings at the City of Clayton within 30 days of Board of Aldermen approval.

Okay, thank you. Is the applicant here? Do you have anything to add to it?

Chairman, thank you all for having us and take a look at this again. At the time that we received approval for this lot consolidation, we had not entered into or not closed on the financing for the project nor the acquisition of property. But now we're within 30 days of doing so and would like approval to consolidate the lots.

Okay, well, we're glad you came back. Are there any questions from the Planning Commission? think so uh then uh we have a staff recommendation to recommend approval to the board of aldermen with those two conditions are you in agreement with those we are correct okay do we have a motion

i'll make a motion to approve with the two staff recommendations

second all in favor i oppose

okay thanks for coming We'll move

on to new business item number two, 7612 Olinka Terrace. Is the applicant here? Okay, hold on.

Ryan. The subject property is located on the southwest side of Willinka Terrace between Carswell Drive and Edwards Drive. The property is owned to Artoon and is developed with a two-story single family home comprising of red brick stucco, siding, and dark wood trim. The property includes a rear addition comprising of stucco, Property owners have stated that they are experiencing issues maintaining the stucco and keeping out wildlife. The proposal includes replacing the stucco, which can be found on all sides of the home, with white hardy cement fiber siding that matches the existing siding found on the front facade. Homes in the surrounding area comprise of brick with stucco stone or siding as accent materials. Properties on either side of the subject property contain siding as a secondary material on the front facade and rear facades. The material is an approved secondary material and would not change the existing ratio of primary to secondary materials. Staff are of the opinion that the proposal is compatible with the existing property and surrounding neighborhood and recommends approval as submitted.

Okay, thank you. The applicant, please identify yourself and if you have anything

to add. Hi, I'm John Holson. My wife and I are the owners of 7612 Lincoln Terrace and it mainly came up as an issue to, like was stated, to keep a woodpecker from making a nice nest in our back wall. And I agree with everything that was said already.

Okay, thank you. I think I would agree also. Get rid of the woodpecker and go with a material that is much longer lasting.

Any other comments?

Ellen. Excuse me, I do have a question. Are you going to keep the dark trim or is everything going to be white?

The dark trim on the... On

the rear elevation and the sides?

All of it is going to be the Arctic white that was submitted on the James Hardy board.

So you will be keeping dark?

All of it will be the Arctic white. Okay.

Okay.

Very similar to the triangle on the front entryway that's already present, I believe it's on.

Yeah.

The first page of photographs, front of the house that was submitted.

Is

that triangle already hardy board? It

is

not, it is wood siding.

Where is this mysterious woodpecker now?

whereabouts unknown, but I still hear him. He's still in the neighborhood. He frequents our house regularly and others in the neighborhood. Uh, he started to, um, take up residence across the street on Carswold on the top of the roof cover, uh, or sorry, the, uh, fireplace cover, uh, too. That was, that was pretty loud. So he is, he is definitely still president in the neighborhood. and a protected species that we cannot remove. So this is obviously the more expensive option,

but- We finally had to get a balloon that had streamers off of it to keep the woodpeckers away, so. Do

you have

this? Well, not actually in my house here, but in Seattle. So yeah, and it pecked, pecked, pecked while my infant child was sleeping. So I empathize. Thank

you.

Well, we do have a staff recommendation to approve as submitted.

I'll make a motion to approve as submitted.

Second. All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Okay.

I was just thinking about it. I'm at 433 Carswold, and we have a barred owl that I love. It's okay, but he sits right in the tree behind where my head is in bed, and he or she, and you just hear all of a sudden you hear like the big scream, like it got something, and it's like kind of like... but they're beautiful creatures. I hope he

doesn't hurt your house

or the study. No, no.

Thank you.

Okay,

we'll move on to item three, 8140 University. And I know the applicant is here.

Ryan? The subject property resides on the south side of University Drive, just east of the street's intersection with North Forsyth Boulevard. The property is owned R2 and is located in the Clayton Gardens Urban Design District. This site is developed with a two-story single-family home and detached garage. The applicant is proposing removing an existing addition, rear path, and portion of the driveway to construct a new addition, covered porch, deck, and new driveway. The proposed addition would match the existing home's red brick, white windows and gray asphalt shingles. The deck and covered porch would comprise composite wood decking and iron railings and lattice screening the underside. The reconfigured portion of the driveway is proposed to be concrete matching the section of remaining driveway. The proposed changes would result in increased impervious coverage to 52.9% from 50.7%. MSD 15-year 20-minute runoff calculations project an increase of 0.01 cubic feet per second, The existing HVAC units are proposed to be removed, but no new location has been identified. The site currently features an 18-caliper-inch larger tree that is proposed to be removed. The proposed plans do not identify planting of any new trees, which would result in the site being below the canopy coverage requirements. Staff recommends approval with the following conditions. One, that the applicant shall include the location of HVAC units on civil and site plans submitted with the building permit. and one medium-caliber deciduous tree should be planted on the property.

Okay, thank you. Lauren? Good

evening, I'm Lauren Strutman, and I'm here with Kevin and Mary Powers, the homeowners. They've lived in their home for a while and wish to replace an existing... not so great addition on the back of their house that's made of siding with a brick addition. So this is a two-story traditional brick addition. We're matching the brick, the roof, all the materials and details of the house on the addition. And I think Ryan described the project very well. And I'm here to answer any questions.

Okay. Is there a garage on the side? There's a

nice detached garage that was there when Kevin and Mary bought the property.

But it stays. And

it stays. It's

a

pretty recently built garage, yeah.

Yeah. It's within the impervious coverage. And it really looks like the... The water, the drainage is not really changing much. Is that correct?

Yeah, we're adding a great drain in the driveway that extends to a pop-up butler in the backyard, but we're really not changing the grades on the property.

So none of the neighbors will

find any additional water? As far

as the appearance, I thought it looked very good. It matches existing windows and shutters. Of course, the material being brick is very nice. Does it virtually double the size of the house?

I have the statistics, but we're actually taking off a pretty big addition and adding on something that's just a little bit bigger.

Well, let's go around.

It's not doubled.

Not doubled?

Yeah. The only question I had was with the staff recommendation, one medium caliper deciduous tree. Define medium caliper.

We would just use our list of medium caliber trees. It's in our code. Okay.

like three inch caliber four inch caliber

i will pull it up for you

thank you i just never have seen it put that way before

anything else no so we

can bridget she's looking i don't have any other comments it looks nice we're

happy to plant the tree oh i know i just i'm curious as to what that means because i've never seen that before

Bob, it's a nice upgrade. Ellen.

Looks good. Thank you.

Amy.

Yeah, it looks beautiful.

David. No questions or comments?

To answer the question, a medium. So in our approved tree list in our code, medium deciduous trees are trees that will be 25 to 50 feet in height at maturity and their minimum planting size is three caliper inches.

Thank you. Okay, that's all I have.

Okay, Lauren, we do have two recommendations. You're in agreement?

I'm with

that. Carolyn?

Yeah, I'll make a recommendation to approve with the two staff recommendations.

Second. All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you very much.

You're on the way. What is the time frame?

Well, the builders are kind of standing up right now, so... Probably start this spring.

Well, good luck with it. It'll be a nice addition to the house and the neighborhood. Okay, we'll move on to item four, 6338 San Benito is the applicant here.

We're not ready for you yet, Mark. Brian.

Subject properties located on the south side of San Juanita Avenue between Tumon Avenue and Buena Vista Avenue. The property is owned R2 and is developed with a two-story single family home and detached rear garage. The scope of work includes the demolition of portions of the existing home, a new residential addition, and rear yard alterations. The proposed addition would match the existing homes dark red brick and gray architectural shingles. Whiteboard and batten siding would accent a bay window and a portion of the rear facade. Much of the rear patio will be demolished and replaced with yard space. Stone pavers are proposed to connect the rear of the new addition, the existing garage, and a concrete path on the east side of the garage. Existing HVAC units will be removed and the units are proposed at the rear of the addition. Plantings adjacent to the existing rear of the home are proposed to be removed. New plantings are proposed at the rear of the addition and existing plantings will remain throughout the rear yard. An existing retaining wall along the west property line and rear yard are proposed to remain. proposed in previous coverage will decrease to 54% from roughly 58% MSD 15 year 20 minutes to run a runoff calculations are projected to decrease by 0.095 cubic feet per second staff of the opinion that the proposal is appropriate and compatible with existing property and surrounding area. Staff recommends approval following conditions one sign and seal plan shall be submitted as part of the building permit process, the to the applicant shall revise page see to to reflect the updated location of AC units.

Okay, Mark. Please identify

yourself and add anything.

I'm Mark Critchfield. I'm a principal with Mainline Group Architecture and the Baumans are actually here. We submitted this project about two years ago, believe it or not, and then everything went on hold and the Baumans went through a redesign process. So that's why we're back. So, I appreciate all the due diligence with the staff recommendations. I don't have anything else to add. Be happy to answer any questions.

Well, I have a comment. We are really happy to see the impervious coverage go down. We rarely get a project like that. So we see how you did it, but it's nice any way you do it. So that's meant to be a constructive thing. Thank you. I found... I found it to look very nice. It keeps the design of the house in the context of the original house and the entire neighborhood. And I really found no problem with it. It'll make the house much more livable. And the only thing I saw, the roof is pretty complex.

It is very complex, yes. But I think we have it under control.

I would hope so. So I have no problem with it. Carolyn?

I didn't have any further comments.

Richard?

No further comments.

Bob? Nothing. Helen?

Yes, I was wondering what is the material of the windows?

The windows? They'll be wood interior with clad exterior.

Okay.

And they match some windows that were installed maybe five years ago, so...

Okay. My only other comment is update your code reference.

Okay.

We're on 2021. Okay. And the NEC, I believe the county's on 2014. Other than that, it looks good.

Okay. Thank you. Amy.

Yeah, no comments.

No questions or comments.

Okay. You read and do you agree with the two staff recommendations? Yes. Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve two staff recommendations.

All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Thank you. Thank you. When will that get started? Pardon me? When will you get started?

We have a contractor on board, so it's a matter of just finalizing contracts at this point. So we're ready to go.

Good luck with it.

Thank you very much. We came to item five quickly

tonight. Two through 18 South Central and 7814 Forsyth Boulevard. And this is a conceptual review. So as all of you probably remember, it's non-binding and hopefully it will take us to the next step. So Ryan, we'll get started.

Start off, I'll say that the staff report that was issued to the board here, the applicant's name was incorrect, but the correct one was reissued on our pending applications page. The public would have had access to the correct information. The site comprises multiple parcels at the southeast corner of the intersection of Forsyth and South Central. The site was previously part of an approved PUD that contained the subject properties. In addition, 7808 Forsyth Boulevard and the alley between them. The parcels were previously zoned high density commercial and rezoned to PUD. The previous PUD proposed a 25-story mixed use tower containing 180 hotel rooms, 73 condos, restaurant space, and parking. The scope of work has been modified to exclude 7808 Forsyth and the adjacent alley. New development proposes a 20-story tower containing 245 hotel rooms, the hotel lobby, lounge, fitness space, guest facilities, and commercial space including a proposed jazz club on the lower level ground floor restaurants with outdoor dining, seventh floor bar, event space, and roof terrace. A 235 space garage is proposed on levels one through six. The proposed building materials include a combination of masonry, glass, and metal. The ground level will feature dark gray masonry units and a storefront window system. Light gray masonry are proposed cladding portions of the exterior of the parking garage that face the south and east into the interior of the block. A glass window wall of alternating glazing is proposed on the majority of the tower facade. Dark gray accent metal bands are used to highlight a variety of horizontal bands along the tower at irregular intervals. The combination of different glazing tints and metal bands adds variety to the tower elevation. Level seven is an accent floor featuring a recessed window wall system and dark gray metal accent columns along the tower. Light gray metal panels clad the exterior of the ballroom with clear glass along the outdoor terrace. Metal pickets are proposed to screen the parking garage along South Central Avenue. The project is proposed as a PUD and will require public hearings before the Planning Commission and Board of Aldermen. PUDs allow for deviations from the underlying zoning code in exchange for public benefits. The application has proposed deviations and benefits which are identified in the staff report. The parcels, although previously approved for rezoning to PUD, will require rezoning again due to the changes in the scope of work. The parcels have an underlying zoning of high-density commercial and are located in the Northeast Downtown Overlay District. The Downtown Master Plan identifies this area as the North Central District and describes this area as the heart of downtown, home to much of the area's retail, food, and high pedestrian activity. The plan recommends future development, enhanced pedestrian activity with wide sidewalks, landscaping, outdoor dining, and the removal of parking and service points from street view. Their proposed design appears to incorporate goals of the North Central District. A project of this scale requires a thorough staff review prior to public hearings. The project will be reviewed and is subject to comments by Planning, Public Works, and the Fire Department, and the city's contracted consultants for landscaping, stormwater management, traffic, and parking. This is conceptual review only, and therefore any comments made in this report or this meeting by the applicant staff or board commission members are not binding. Staff recommends that the Planning Commission and Architecture Review Board consider the proposal and provide input. Staff recommends that future submittals elaborate on public benefits.

Okay, thank you. Here to speak. Chairman Lichtefeld, members of the

board and staff, thank you for the opportunity to present our latest design for the mixed-use project located southeast corner of Forsyth Boulevard and Central Avenue. Although this is a new conceptual design review, I think you'll recognize many aspects of the design, including the changes that came about as a result of the previous feedback received from your board, from the community meetings, and in seeking approval of the Board of Aldermen. We've made some changes to our team as well, adding Lamar Johnson Collaborative as the architect of record and Midas Construction as a general contractor. Midas Construction joins leveraging their success on the recently completed residence in just a few blocks west of this proposed project. Lamar Johnson will present a new conceptual design in greater detail in a few minutes, but first I'd give you an overview of the new project scope. Any successful features from the previous project were incorporated in this new design, including the recessing of the storefront along Forsyth and Central, activation of the pedestrian zone with energetic spaces like hotel lobby, corner restaurant, outdoor dining, and retail along Forsyth at the northeast corner. The landscape plan for the new project is based on the previous approved submission and incorporate spike racks, street trees, and native plants selections. We've continued to incorporate planters and lower height walls along the public sidewalks to provide a transition between the pedestrian scale and the high rise building itself. We also propose similar seventh floor amenity, including the publicly accessible bar and outdoor terrace, as well as the hotel's ballroom. Some changes to the projects. The residential condominium component was eliminated and replaced with a larger hotel, increasing its size from 180 to 240 rooms. The mass of the building decreased in scale from both 26 to 20 stories and no longer includes the parcels to the east and therefore decreasing its footprint. The ground floor and hotel public space increased in size as the condominium program was removed. The 110 to 120 seat fine dining restaurant with its outdoor seating and dramatic corner focal point bar remains a critical element to the project. The small 1,800 square foot retail space at the northeast corner was expanded and now includes a 4,500 square foot jazz club. It lastly made subtle modifications to the layout for the parking structure to take advantage of feedback we received from our structural engineers and from our construction team to reduce the cost of the garage and make its construction more efficient. At this time, I would like to invite Bob Neely, principal with Lamar Johnson Collaborative, to come up and present their latest design.

I'll turn on the microphone. If the green light's on and then it's on, you might just

have to hold it closer to you when you speak.

Before you proceed, do you have anything that can be put up on the screen? On the keyboard,

that's the password. Thank you. Give me. I thought, is it all caps? Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's all lowercase. Forgive me. I was reading the bottom and not the top. We did a dry run earlier and it was just fine. So I do apologize. All right, success. So

I'd like to just sort of start showing you just some of the singular images. All these are in your package with a couple elaborations. Really working with Midas, just really tried to build on the strengths and all the programming and all of the facets of the street front and activating the neighborhood in downtown Clayton. What you'll see is, The glass facade on the floor is up to 20. What you're seeing is a window wall system that is clear glass. It's a singular type of glass that just has variations in the UV coating, which allows for it to have more of an organic patterning that we just incorporated around, as mentioned with the Malian extensions, just to add a... a break in the scale and as an organizing element. Or just to sort of acclimate on a bigger screen, a view from the north, just sort of showing it in the context of its neighbors. Several shots just showing the context and the existing buildings on the site and surrounding.

Here, a view west

looking east. So you're seeing the, as described, the hotel on the left side and then with the parking garage up to level six with the public terrace on level seven, which you can see

just in this area here. I'm getting

to the storefront along along for site as sure you're all aware of the there's approximately seven foot drop from West to East so just. We wanted to animate that so we have brick planners that sort of terrorists down and what that is doing is adding adding landscape and it's also forming a soft greener screens or the outdoor dining, which is accessible from the interior just off the hotel lobby. And then coming down, going east, you see here the space that was formerly a smaller commercial space. But as Steve described, it's the Jazz Club. So it has a very prominent entry coming right off. And then we've also expanded the space so that the Jazz Club then goes underneath the restaurant. So it's a quasi sort of garden level, so to speak, just because of the rise in the site. You'll also see here, this is probably a good slide to point out that along the north, south and west, then we're also having one more reveal. So we stepped the building back at level seven just to give them a little more emphasis in terms of the podium and tying that into the parking garage that extends to the south. Here are several of the elevations which just start to diagram the materials. So you see here the class sort of pointed out here we're integrating and showing here the the darker Gray masonry the block that's along this the level one storefront and the hotel lobby, we are proposing the. Lighter Gray. brick masonry along the store tower i'm sorry on the parking garage towers along the south, which you'll see the see them in their full elevation on the next slide that structural columns along level one the structure is concrete but we're we're proposing to wrap those in metal panel. And then the garage is, it's an open garage and along South Central, it's clad with open louvers which we're looking to integrate that as part of the art element within the development. So working with an artist in terms of the coloration and the patterning. Here you see a view from the south. So these are the two stair towers that I mentioned that would be the lighter gray. and then it's an open garage in back with cable rail, the glass going up. All the mechanical, the roof-mounted mechanical equipment would be surrounded with a 12 foot perforated metal screen. And that color again would tie into the same form language and material texture and hue of the metal that's wrapping the

columns. Several floor

plans just from grade up. You see from the alley, we have a dock area for service for two vehicles. The utilities, here you can see sort of the extent of the expanded commercial space with the jazz club going all the way to the corner of South Central. Here's the entry. And then you see here in the tangerine color, the restaurant. restaurant and then in the purpley

pink, the lounge.

I'm sorry, I just went up to so you see the lobby lounge. The level seven, then public terrace, that is accessed through the elevator that are just off of the hotel lobby. Just to mention that. Then we come up to more of the typical floors. So this is the hotel where it's abutting the garage podium to the south, is level seven. So you can see here the ballroom, the pre-function space, and then the public roof terrace here, which is then next to the lounge bar. And these are the elevators just mentioned on previous slides. So this is access for the public to get up to the roof terrace. And then second to last, this is a typical hotel floor. So this is from eight to 20. And then finally the roof plan. Have the equipment all consolidated and everything all mechanical is either within the purple or the Gray and that's all visually protected from the street so there's there will be no view of that equipment by the general public.

Murray. A couple of

snapshots here of Forsyth. So this is further east looking west. Another shot about midway adjacent to the building. So you're starting to see the planters terracing up in the outdoor dining. Again, these are the one one material I didn't mention was the wood look metal panel that's in the soffit on the underside of level two so that'll be the softer material to just add a little warmth within the hotel arrival and

in the outdoor dining. quick.

And also just probably worth mentioning, we do have materials of everything sort of described and with the exception of the garage screening if you'd like to see the materials or pull them just for the.

weight and texture. those that were really celebrating

the corner at Central and Forsyth with the lounge and the restaurant and just opening it and

presenting a lot of activity and just sort of enticement to activate that corner of the block. Here are

the formal entry for the hotel for the canopy hotel and then we just sort of hand back a little bit to the south.

Second, the entry to the garage. Your view of that outdoor terrorist the public terrorist up on level seven. The lounge. Perhaps. Perhaps the south and west. A little bit of shade and shadow to show the building and the glazing as it responds to the different times of day. I will just

expect to see. So we also included some renderings of the previous design hotel. Very much of the program for the hotel is going to stay the same. So we thought it would be a good refreshing to show you and remind you of what the interiors of the hotel is likely to look like. This is from the restaurant looking north at that focal point bar on the corner. is inside the lobby lounge looking toward the restaurant with the registration off to the right side. The entry to the hotel is on the left of your screen there. Registration, and in the background you see the lobby lounge and Central. And then here is the previous rendering of the rooftop amenity, but the current design will have many of these same features included. This is the design for the guest room itself with the signature canopy over the bed.

That's my last slide. Our project.

Thank you very much for the time and would love to hear any comments you have on our design.

I'm sure there are a few things we can talk about. First thing I'd like to ask you about is the

PUD

option of at least two of the following five office, retail, residential, public parking, and hotel use. Which two at least do you consider in the mixed use? We have retail, hotel, and parking. And what is the retail?

The retail is the jazz club, the restaurant,

and the rooftop bar. All right. The Jazz Club, which is

on the northeast corner. The main restaurant on the corner of Forsyth and Central. And then the seventh floor rooftop bar and

terrace. Okay.

I hear you. Initially, I didn't consider the rooftop bar or the restaurant as being retail. I saw them as part of the hotel, which would really, in my mind, it brought down the retail component drastically. But that's your decision. It will have to match what the Board of Aldermen is looking at. And as we go through, there may be other comments about it.

You look at your past approval of this project. It had the corner restaurant. It had the seventh floor rooftop bar amenity and had an 1800 square foot retail space on the northeast corner. we've incorporated the first two and expanded the third from 1,800 to 4,500, incorporating the Jazz

Club. So in terms of

comparison to the previous approval, I think we've expanded the retail component of this project.

But you've also dropped out the residential component from the previous, which was a much larger percentage than the retail is now. Correct. It's a comment. I'm not saying right or wrong. Okay. The other thing, if you could address some of these public benefits... They're shown here in LISC form, but not really much detail.

Okay. One can I describe in greater detail? The majority of these were the same as our previous.

Right. Let's see. Are you widening the sidewalk more than in the previous? It's the same. It is the same? Okay. Okay. The LEED silver checklist, was that the same also? It's the same. Okay. The siting, I understand. The reused or recycled building materials?

That will still be incorporated.

Okay. The public parking, will that be truly open to the public?

Parking structure will be open to the public, providing both guest parking and visitor parking too. hotels, ballrooms, and restaurants.

Okay. The outdoor seventh floor terrace, would that be open at all times to the public?

I can't say at all times, but it certainly, when it's open, will be open to the public.

So someone could just walk in, ride the elevator up, and partake of the bar and sitting outside? Correct.

The same as it was in our previous design, the only time that that would not be available if someone had an event and and reserve the entire terrorists for an event, but that'd be similar to you know.

I think, as you go further we'd like to see much more detail on all of these benefits okay. um. Let's stay with the general concepts right now, not get into the nitty-gritty of the architectural design. But if there are any other comments that I've sort of started on, let's go around. Carolyn?

Yeah, what were the – just remind me, the reused or recycling building materials, where are those located and what are they?

So we had –

We had recycled content in some of the metals. We had recycled content and some of the brick and stone

that was in the project.

Okay.

That's okay. And you when you elaborate on this, you'll have percentages and that kind of information because it's part of the lead checklist anyway public art.

Please call up to the microphone when you're speaking since it's recorded. Thank you.

Just in terms of it being a concrete structure, so the local materials and, of course, I mean, a high percentage of the building is gravel, sand, water from locally sourced.

Within like 50 miles even, 100 miles. Yeah, okay. The public art, what do you guys, where are you guys headed now?

The public art we've engaged and our consultants, and they are putting together a program very similar to what we did on the for city of condominiums. We will present that to the Public Art Commission to match the points that are awarded for this project. So the components that we are considering for this project. not only incorporating art as building elements like the parking garage screen, but also individual sculptures and pieces of art within the public way at entrances, et cetera, which was similar to what we had before.

I think we're going to ask about the garage screen when we get into the building part. I have something else, but I'll go ahead, Bridget. I'm just trying to remember.

I was going to ask about the art as well. Would you anticipate having a piece right at the corner? I think

so. The easy ones to answer are the singular you know standing elements more difficult are the ones that are incorporated into the structure itself but that's a kind of a conversation we've been having with the art consultant to identify artists that do focus on building materials and in trying to incorporate that into our design so it could be facade elements uh they could also be soffits and or canopies at entryways um so there's a wide variety of things that we've discussed

and the um EV charging stations just would kind of be located in the just general public

areas.

Yeah.

Okay. So three publicly accessible EV charging stations. Does that mean there'll be other ones that are not just for the hotel people?

So there probably will be more than just three for the hotel. Brands are looking for a much higher percentage. Okay, good.

Because that's, yeah.

Yeah.

Got a plan for that. All right.

That was another question. Thank you. First

of all, I really like your first floor. It looks open, looks inviting, everything else.

Yeah, I hope you remember that that was a lot of the features came about from the previous conversations we had with everyone trying to develop that as an integral part of the pedestrian experience.

But what I love most by far is your jazz club. I just wish and I hope Anna, that we have a line item that allows us in PUD points to address the two Achilles heels for downtown Clayton. Gathering spaces and what do you do other than eat in Clayton? What is there at night? And if somebody has the chutzpah to bring in some entertainment, to really bring Clayton alive, and we don't acknowledge it, It's crazy. And I'll give you five points before I even walk in. You know, I hope we addressed those issues though. That's important.

There are some within the PUD system, there's line item that allows us to give discretionary points towards items that meet our downtown goals and other elements. I

was thinking good, like last time when we had the coffee house in that residential development on Merrimack on that vacant land, and it was open and it was inviting and so needed for that neighborhood. And we had nothing, you know, there was a pun. For gathering spaces and for nightly entertainment, our Achilles heels, we have to acknowledge it and do something to encourage it. And I think that's the way to do it. So, you know, on the other hand, the backside of your garage where everybody walks in Clayton downtown, you know, across that parking lot, and it's so exposed and so naked and so ugly. I, well, I told you about the jazz club. I

mean,

but I do think that.

I will tell you that the reason we're here a second time is the first design was not sustainable in terms of price. And so we had to look at where were those opportunities and in conversations with kind of outside of this project, talking about the parking lot to the south, et cetera, you know, really spending money there when it could potentially be covered by another building, another project, versus spending it in other areas like supporting a jazz club, et cetera, would seem to be a more beneficial place to spend it.

I mean, the truth is your corner is really like giving you the keys to the city. It's that key of an intersection in Clayton downtown. And so when I look at your project, I'm asking, is your building going to be inviting for people to walk past it? Is there an opportunity it's going to congregate people there? is there entertainment even there, like we just discussed? These are the things that I'm looking for. We haven't talked about the glass. I think Steve wants to hold off. Is there something that I could see in real life that uses your facade in another city or St. Louis? I'm really scratching my head on

your...

while they're looking for the image, could we stick with the zoning and the master plan? Absolutely. Right now, because I think we'll have a lot more design questions. That's

it. I'm done. Okay. I like the jazz club too. I think it's a great idea and very different. I mean, there's one other one that I know of in St. Louis and that's Midtown Grand Center. I would agree with Steve. I think where he was heading, the mixed use name is, that's a stretch. Most hotels, not your lower end, your higher end, have restaurants, bars, lounges, So, and you know, the parking, if I'm looking for a place to park in Clayton, but I'm going to some other place, can I park there?

Yeah.

Will I know that I can?

There'll be signs saying public parking.

Okay. You know, with the list that we've got, office, retail, residential, You can fit in, but I do think it's a bit of a stretch. Right now with just the hotel, I'm less convinced about that seventh floor public park, public space. That being a hotel, I don't think you want my kids when they were teenagers to come from school with their friends and I said this at the last hearing that you had with their friends, you know to hang out in a public park. I think you're going to be more discriminating. You know as to who you're going to allow to be in your on your seventh floor open space. So I'm not as convinced as I was the last time. You're giving up 18 inch depth for sidewalk area, extra sidewalk area. Is that on Forsyth only or both Forsyth and Central?

We have expanded sidewalks on both sides.

Okay. Do you know what the clear width would be from that tree grate So that if I'm walking, I can keep- Yeah, I do know

it's exactly the same as the last presentation and approval.

Steve, can you repeat that so it's on the record?

Yeah, it's six and a half from the tree grate to the planter, but 12 from the curb to the planter.

Okay, because the tree great that's between the tree greats that's really only space for you to step aside so somebody else can walk by. I'm talking about straight.

That's it until we get to the architectural.

Thank you,

Amy.

I agree with a lot what Helen said. I do also like expanding that jazz club and really activating, you know, both central and foresight until you hit the garage entrance. I think that that's really welcoming. And I think that was done nicely. It's hearing about where you're putting the public art, I think will be important. And just kind of when I hear you say like just scattering it kind of, I don't know how that'll look or how that will feel. So really knowing where that location is. Yeah. And then the seventh floor, again, is just kind of when we switched it from residential to strictly hotel, I think knowing the public really feeling welcome there will be an issue. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that the seventh floor still has the public bar as well as the function space for the hotel. And those were very similar to the program before. There weren't any condominium functions on that floor before. So removal of the condominium component of the building really didn't change how that floor is going to be perceived.

I just say when people live there, you know, that are not hotel guests, that'll make it more, you know, people invite their friends and things like that. Right.

Can I just, oh, sorry. Can I just ask one? So the restaurant, and I guess I can see how the seventh floor thing would work because you just, it would be like having a bar like up on top. I mean, you're having something on the first floor too, but you have a bar and then you've got a ballroom. So if somebody has their wedding there or something like that, it's, I guess, used just for the guests. But so would you anticipate the restaurant to be, you know, I think there's hotels that have restaurants that are like, nobody wants to eat at the hotel restaurants. So would you anticipate this restaurant? I guess before, I kind of thought the restaurant would be something that it would be a destination to go. Are you anticipating- That is still our

goal.

Okay. Rather than just having to be like-

Absolutely. The concept for the restaurant is exactly as it was before. Okay. And if you look at bars like 360 downtown on top of the Hilton, It's on top of a hotel. And yet people do rather quickly realize that they can go up, they can have food and beverage and music. And it's an exciting place to be and overlook the rest of the city. So I think people will pretty quickly figure out. If we didn't have that bar there, I could- I could buy the argument that people really aren't going to go there unless it's the hotel. But the fact that we have a public bar on that same seventh floor connected to that same terrace is going to draw people up there.

Yeah.

Just simply music and activity occurring.

Right. I mean, the AC Hotel, which is going up now, will have a rooftop terrace as well. The

Moonrise has it too. Yeah.

David, on the

zoning and master plan?

Yeah, generally I don't think I have anything that hasn't been said already. I think it's going to come down to the details on the public benefits and everything else as we start the PUD process. One thing I would point out is there's a provision in the code that wasn't listed specifically in the report that deals with mixed use, and it says that if you have a hotel with a restaurant, it qualifies as a PUD within that district. So I just wanted to point that out.

Thank

you. You're aware of what you're asking for in zoning changes?

We are, correct.

Okay. Well, we'll certainly be dealing with that in the PUD. The other thing with the downtown master plan... As Bob indicated, this is sort of the epicenter of our downtown and it's been a donut hole for many, many years. And we've had a lot of development on the periphery of downtown. And now we see something coming here right at the corner of Central and Forsyth. And that's exciting. But we also see that you're leaving a little piece of property that may not be able to be developed in the future. We have other sites downtown also. And I'm only saying this as a comment from a planning point of view, that it really doesn't follow what we would hope our downtown would fill out and not have these little isolated voids that could become just voids in the future. I understand that the property that you could not incorporate to the east will be at least fully occupied on the ground floor very soon. So I think that's a positive. But I was a little disappointed, even though we can't really do anything about it. But just thought I would make that comment from a planning point of view.

Can I just ask, do you control that property? We do not. It was a separate purchase and sale agreement. The expansion of the project and the incorporation of the condominiums really led to the complexity of the structure overall, having duplicate vertical circulation and duplicate infrastructure that really made the project infeasible from a cost perspective.

So I think we're

all understanding um uh but more or less wished that you had been able to incorporate it uh let's go on to some design now and um bob would you like to begin no already did

um i you know uh the garage has what what did you call those uh

You're talking about the screening element? Yeah, the

screening element. Describe that to me and compare it to that one that is on the Commerce Building and where Emerson's going up and that is somewhat unattractive. Not that my opinion

means anything, but you know. I think

that the opportunities for cladding a garage are getting... know more diverse and i'm sorry you don't like that style because that was one of the creative avenues for you know doing something to a garage facade that still meets the airflow requirements for a garage but still provides some interest to it so that was i'm

not saying the style can't be bad it just looked kind of cheap i don't know there's something about it that just Low quality. I

think the concept here was trying to not mimic the facade of the hotel because they are going to be treated differently at night when the garage is glowing differently than the hotel. So we wanted to leave them as separate identifiable elements, but yet try to incorporate the overall concept for the exterior in the facade as well.

Can I jump in and follow up on that? Yes, please. What we've seen on that other property was not my expectation. I thought it would be much more vibrant, let's say. It looks like a bunch of gray and off-gray slants that are vertical. And secondly, when cars are in there, you see the headlights. And I think here, we'd like to control the headlight coming out and have some architectural design distinction that goes beyond what we've seen on other projects in the city.

I think your building and that garage command such an important location in the heart of Clayton that to walk by and just see a garage You need one. Don't get me wrong. You need one, but the appearance almost needs to be elevated more first rate said to make it look like a non garage

things that really changed in this design that were different than the previous iteration in terms of the garage. It's the garage before when it had multiple uses in the garage. You had residential parkers, you had public parkers, you have hotel parkers. That entrance was much bigger, had more lanes both in and out. And if you remember that design, it was a little bit of concern that there was going to be crossover concerns, right? So this being hotel and public, allowed us to simplify that to a more traditional in-and-out egress configuration. So I think that's going to benefit this. We were able to shrink down the whole of the parking entry, but also the rest of the parking ground floor is the hotel lobby. So it's going to provide lots of activity and life to the garage, et cetera.

I think you're, I love your first floor, the way you just handled it. It was just first right. You guys, classy, really in my mind. But when we start going above the first floor and I see that garage and if I'm, you know, a lot of people are standing where this picture is taken from. And if you just see a garage there and it's near the courthouse and it's near an administration building and there's a lot of action going on there, Boy, I would just like to think that it'd be attractive. People don't want to walk by garages necessarily. I would like yours to be the exception and make it attractive enough.

We also have the benefit of having that activity at the top of the garage. It's going to draw your eye up. You're going to see, you know, lighting and, you know, people and gathering up at that bar level and terrace. What

you say is true, but I have to go from the second floor through the sixth floor before I hit that seventh floor, you know? And the other thing, can you show a picture of the back? You're the back of the garage. Let's just stay with the garage. Maybe other people have comments too. my recollection was you guys made the sales pitch that well someday this parking spot parking lot is going to be developed so we don't have to focus too much on that but St. Louis County owns that parking lot that could remain a parking lot for another 20 years 30 years you know who knows what It may even turn into a park someday. Who knows? But more importantly, everybody's walking in that area. A lot of people are during the day. And if this is what I'm looking at on my way to the courthouse or my way to the administration building, it just gives me some concern. That's all.

Try to be sensitive to that. You said the additional landscape and that gap We provided a small little pocket park, if you will, to provide some softness to the ground floor plane. We also see the facade of the ballroom structure above. Your right middle is the parking garage, right? And we were trying not to embellish the parking levels more than necessary. I

think you do some nice things, but what really sticks out is the garage itself, you know, is a monstrosity. And, you know, I would give you just my reaction. I mean, I'm glad you guys are here and I'm glad you've done so many good things for this project that the garage just concerns me.

Mike, can I make a quick comment about the plantings there? They are, the three trees are to be red maples. they're only showing them at two feet from the building facade there's no way trees of that size can be two feet from a building and survive number one number two it they'll be chopped down before you even get them large enough because their branches are going to go right into the building and then it'll curve out and go so i think you need to rethink those trees if you're going to do anything you need to do something columnar not big

you know we're all spoiled by that centene garage facade that they have you know sometimes I think I want to go across the street get some popcorn and I expect a movie to go on that screen

that would be neat so just rethink that as well because I see that all the time I see trees planted like one foot away from a building and it's like yeah we have our trees in it's like not for long you do

and then do anyone else want to say something about the garage

yeah i guess so i guess i'm curious so it actually i don't think that the south elevation bothers me quite as much as the east elevation because i'm just a little concerned because people i mean i think we actually i understand it's not necessarily you guys but there's an apartment building that's going to go right there um across the street so i I don't know what the ventilation requirements are, but potentially thinking about cladding that on the east side, I think would be welcome to all the people that are going to live right there in the coming years. I understand that it's an expense. I don't know if the South Elevation can stay open because Like you, I really sincerely hope that the county will sell that property and something will happen. I don't know when it will happen, but I just, so.

If you're concerned with the residential property seeing headlight glare, et cetera. Yes, I do. So if the guardrails surrounding the parking level were of a height to block headlights, you'd be fine with that?

I think that helps. But again, you have people moving into an apartment building paying a lot of money that are gonna stare at the side of a garage. So I don't know which building's gonna go up first, but I'm dealing with that right now on the new commerce building. It's a real issue for some surrounding homeowners and they really did clad their garage around a lot, but it's just, I don't wanna find yourself in the same position a few years from now where it's like, why didn't we do anything with that side of the garage knowing full well that people live you know, east of this building.

Following up on what Bridget said, I had a problem with all three sides of the garage to a different extent on each side, but I see the headlight problem at night as being a true negative, whether it's headlights facing west, south, or east. Because we have people all around in hotels, condominiums, apartments, no single family in this area. But this will be seen because it's up six stories high. When we look at the Central Avenue side, it seems to me that the two buildings are opposing each other, that they're just not working together. I know it looks fine on the flat elevation, but I think in reality, the materials and the reflectivity of the glass and the lack of it on the garage is going to make it look like some ship has just rammed into the side of the hotel. It went through my mind in reviewing this that Maybe there's some way to clad that garage to make it look like a part of the hotel itself so that you have Forsyth and Central much major appearance of glassiness. I know you have the ventilation issues, but we've also seen garages that are covered in glass that Have the glass sometimes tilted where the air goes in and out or with ventilation ports in it? the design is up to you i'm just saying i think there there could be an opportunity to unify central avenue more so than it is i think bob is absolutely correct the ground floor is very well unified and looks very good but then when you get from two to six i think it falls apart

Can I make a quick

comment?

The rhythm that you have on the glass, when I looked at this, I was looking at the garage and I wonder if you could carry that sort of rhythm by placing some of the slabs closer together and create it in the same, not the full length being the same. Look

at the elevation of the garage.

You get the central design. It's faint,

but you can see that that's really what was trying to happen here was we're playing with the facade of the garage and the patterning of the screening elements to mimic what was happening on Well,

but in one of the drawings. I don't know which page it's on at this point, but it shows The slot. The slots are going straight from the top to the down as opposed to how you have your building where each one is a little bit, you know, join it, none of the right through like the dark is different on that strip and then the next trip. So what if, what if you did that on the garage so it feels like that it doesn't have to be glass, you can still get Aaron but it has that same kind of rhythm approach.

And we were and I don't know that it completely well it obviously there's a lot of conversation, so it doesn't convey as well as you might have hoped it did. But also in terms of those those spins or louvers I mean our thought was that they would be rotated so there would be movement and not that they would be spinning like a wheel, but that they would be fixed in place but. The goal was to introduce that movement, that visual movement that you do see in the glass so that it does come over. And so maybe one bay say it's 80% open and another bay, it might be 75% open and, and on aggregate, you know, we'd like it to be an open garage, but we did want to have that plate, you know, sort of playfulness that goes through and it feels more organic and it feels more of a family of, Form language, as opposed to two pieces or, as you said, you know to two ships that collided that that's not our intention at all. So with with development we're very hopeful that we can start to integrate that so it does feel more unified yet have a variety of character that's.

Like the rendering didn't

it's a very

much yeah it's Okay, I know.

Right software has limitations but we'll we'll continue to pursue

well. yeah our our comments are really hopefully to let your creative juices go further at this point

and just just one point i wanted to make too because i appreciate your your uh comment about the trees but just going to because you know just given the scale of the of the lot um I do believe this area here, and I think we do have more opportunities because I think this is more in the 12 foot sort of depth range, 10 to 12 foot. So I think that that will give us some more opportunity to play with the landscape.

Well, then this detail is

incorrect here

for L1.0. Yeah, we

might need to take a look at that. Because it

says two feet.

Just looking at that. Your point's well taken, though. Thank you.

Can you go back and put up the picture of the building with the side view garage? I think when Steve says, like, the garage looks like it's colliding with the building, and I look at it, and I say, that is, he has hit the nail on the head with that. I mean, imagine, for example, just let's just talk about appearance. Imagine the glass extending all the way across as Steve was just saying. that would look a thousand times better. Now, I'm not talking economics here. Right, right, right, right. But today, I mean, I travel a lot and especially on the West Coast, I see garages that look like modern art. I'm sure you do too. Or they look like beautiful separate buildings or they integrate them with a main structure. I want you guys to you know, to feel so good about

your

building. Now it's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback and spend money. Don't get me wrong. I get that, but there's gotta be a way to make it work where the garage, I mean, it looks like your high rise didn't get finished almost.

Because that wasn't the intent. The intent was actually to look at a facade cladding that would allow us a lot of ability to be playful with the patterning and color of the facade to provide some interest in that. So that was the intent. Maybe

rendering it as gray structure kind of caused it to look like they were too... And I think if there is some movement, I think that would.

Let me throw out an idea. I happen to like the two tenths of glass on the building in their somewhat random setting, as well as the sort of layer cake approach in there. But when we get down to the base, up to the seventh floor level, I was wondering in consideration of the ventilation problem if you could take that glass all the way across but not have it flat. you know, your first piece could be flat and then several of them could start turning so that you have open spaces as if they were louvers, each one at a slight different angle, which would then allow the building to have a uniform material going across it. But it would allow it to have ventilation ports in it. It would accentuate the vertical and you could still have the horizontal lines there, but it would also change the appearance and give it a dynamic appearance when you go back to the, looking from the west, the one with the county police. Yeah, there. It wouldn't be flat. You would see different reflections on the glass because it would no longer be absolutely flat. I know it would say the garage is different, but it would be the same materials. I'm just throwing out something for the design team to look at. And yes, well, no, we're not trying to raise your cost, but we are trying to meet expectations of design.

I think with that kind of thing, you're going to have to be really careful that you're not directing sunlight somewhere and blinding people.

Well, this building is going to reflect sunlight everywhere. No, I

know that, but anything angled could easily just...

Well, yes, but those would

all face northwest. Think about it.

Mm-hmm.

Ellen or Kami, did you have additional garage comments?

Yes. I would like screening on the east side in particular. I mean, that really looks like a bottom of the line garage. Bake structure, that's it. And trying to adjust the guardrails for headlight height, good luck. I mean, I don't have enough fingers and toes for the numbers of times that a pickup truck will be behind me. I'm low to the ground in my car and their headlights are much higher than mine. Head on, they'd probably go over me. So that is an issue. The headlights are an issue, but the aesthetics of it, it just looks terrible. The south, there's enough of the stair tower masses that are going to be brick That's fine. That's set back and you will have some planting in front of it. That's not the problem. It's the east side that is awful. I mean, the rest of what you've done looks good. But that east side, it's like you ran out of time and you just ran to get it printed. So the glazing, I like what you've done. I'd like the pattern to be less random or am I missing a kind of a formula that you've applied for the light dark on the glass?

I mean, it is organized. If you look at these precedent images, we'll see that there is some structure to it. There's banding, there's continuity of the vertical elements, but the might create a very creative facade element.

Okay. What is that going to look like at night with rooms lit up and drapes pulled across?

So as we talked about this in thinking about this design, that was already going to create a randomness of the facade. And so what this glass did is it added another layer to that effect. So you had both a randomization of the glass itself, and then when you had these sporadic lighting of interior spaces to it, it added, again, like I said, another kind of layer of detailing for the facade.

Okay. That's all I have.

The glass, it's all glass. The columns are set back, it looks like four feet maybe, somewhere around there. That's correct. So the partitions between rooms will come right up to the glass mullion, right? In a T shape.

That is correct.

I think it can be pretty dynamic at night with the light in there, as well as the light will shine differently between the two tins. It's

going to sound corny, but you could describe the rhythm as jazz when you're presenting it. Is that corny at all? It's

great.

Jazz facade, right? Did we forget to say

that? We forgot to say that.

Yeah, really the intent was to kind of create some exciting elements. Rather than plant it all in one color of glass, we wanted to create some interest. And rather than stepping the building in and out, which we couldn't do, this was an opportunity just by changing color of glass that we could provide some interest.

You know, we do see some sheer glass buildings that at night you just see random ceiling lights because they're up in the air. I think the patterning here and the different tinting will make that look much different because in the hotel rooms, you're not going to have many fluorescent ceiling lights up there. It'll be more lamp lighting. So I think it's a great idea. Amy did you have additional

um just that I do like the randomness of the glass and then just not to be uh beat a dead horse just on that east elevation with the garage my big thing was like at that corner because now you have that alleyway space like when you're walking um heading west up foresight it's almost like and I and I get that you are on an alley but there's something that kind of just needs to wrap that corner it's right right at the entrance to the jazz club um if you're looking at the east elevation where you just have that giant brick wall, there's something that just, that corner is lacking there because your first floor is so open and activating. It's just something when you're walking up on the street is lacking on that corner.

The hotel does wrap the corner, right? So you are, you know, for the first- That's

street level. So I'm looking at the east salvation. Right.

Oh, gotcha. The corner. So A201. Yep.

It's just that giant brick wall at street level

as you're walking up. It's just... You don't actually really see it ever.

Just on that one.

Yeah. 201. One

more. There you

go.

Yeah. Right here. Because you will,

as a pedestrian, see that hardcore when you're walking up so it's something to think about doing that along with the other comments for the garage you

can put like a mural there it can be your art some of your art

yeah it's just something to kind of giant music

notes

yeah yeah we

can definitely take a look at that

that's it david any comments on the building design i'm

No, not beyond what's already been said. That's always, I guess, the hard part about going last year. The east side of the garage and just trying to get this more cohesive on the central side. I think the garage is going to be the focal point of these discussions with a formal application and when it goes to the board. So I think that's where a lot of that focus and concentration needs

to be. Wait, wait, wait. I'm trying not to...

Yeah, so it's just this brick here. Okay. I think we can add some definition to that. That second portion, the upper portion, which could be glass. Right, just to bring light in. And

your building looks so attractive to walk along. I can't give you enough credit for that. Not

tonight.

Not tonight. But there's a lot of pluses you guys should take away.

So can you repeat that into the

microphone, please?

I'll pull up the drawing.

I agree with that comment. However, you have cars going up and turning around and their headlights will shine out on the east and the west. And the way I'm reading it is both going up. It's ramped on both sides. Both sides, right? There's not a flat side

next to the hotel. Right. And there are

two ramps that are doing this. Okay.

He said that it's flat on the east and the west side of the ramps.

The entire bay there on the east and west sides are flat.

Yeah. But you know, when Helen's big truck following her is coming up a ramp, the headlights will shine out, period, before they turn around and

go up the next ramp. So I think we have a headlight

problem. But as David summed up, I do think the garage will probably be... talked about a lot more. See, I think it probably covered everything. I did find that you have a service elevator in there. When I first looked at it, I could not find it. But I'm glad to see it in there. But basically, I think this is a great addition to downtown Clayton. It'll give some activity right at that center point that hopefully will spread out in all directions along our streets and bring in more activity once it's up and running. So any other comments,

Bob? You indicated you were aware of some other building that may have had a similar look in real life.

Oh, yeah,

I hit it

up. I can pull it

back

up. I'm

going to. Did I tell you I have an eye appointment? Yeah.

Oh. So this is an actual building.

That's fine. You probably were like, oh, that's fine.

Okay. Bob, could you go back to your building, the

Forsyth Elevation? Of course. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I do have one question about this particular elevation here. So if you look down central and you've got those kind of wider black columns that break up that continuous floor, but you don't have that pattern on Forsyth as well. Is there a particular reason for that?

Because of the location of the columns, the columns in relationship to the facades on the east west running all the way up to the deeper closer and so they're not out there at the at the

it's really it's the honest expression of the structure.

Bob on this

elevation. I've traced the structure from the ground floor all the way up. And I see between the structure, we typically have one, two, three, four, five, six panes of glass. Sometimes they're double panes, sometimes they're single when I'm looking at our drawings. But when I get to the corner, there seems to be a much thinner piece on the corner that doesn't show on this.

And I think the elevations represent the true dimension. I think just because this is in three dimension, there is some sort of foreshortening. I'm

not sure if I'm...

Yeah, I understand that. Will there be that thinner piece of glass at the corner?

Are all the panels designed to be the same size?

There is a little variation at the very corners. And I think that that's something we'll look to refine because obviously there's an efficiency in making it completely uniform. But right now, just because of the proportions of the building, there is a little bit of remnant that at this conceptual level, we haven't refined yet.

Right, because it seems like your two column bays at the east and the west end, you're going to have to wrap the glass around those where you don't have to anywhere else. So that is adding a little bit of dimension to that east bay and the west bay. See those columns? You've got three columns on the hotel floor on the east and the west that are engaged or right behind the glass. Will the glass cover them?

No, those are expressed, right? And then...

Only on level seven, because we step in on the west, north, and south on level seven. But on the floors above and below, they are captured. They're behind the glass. So the glass runs past them. Exactly right. Just in front.

That's how we read the east and the west elevation.

Correct. That's in current design intention.

So you see what I mean, you have a little, you have more glass in the east and west bays on the Forsyth side. So either your final piece of glass at the east end and the west end are a little bit wider or you're going to have a thin

piece at that column depth of additional glass. Get to the corner. Yeah. Okay. I think we can address that in the future, too.

I

think it would be better to have a thin piece at the corner going all the way up rather than having a larger piece of glass on either

end. I was reading your comment oppositely.

Gotcha.

Stephen, I'm just from the perspective of like the board. So another hotel, I mean, I guess the residence and must be doing pretty well. So, I mean, because I know the public will ask me, you know, do we really need another hotel? Are they filled? You know, because, you know, the residence didn't just open, the AC is going up. So I'm just, you know, we also don't want empty hotels. So yeah. I agree. Okay. I'm sure you don't, but no.

Do you have any other questions for us before we open it up? If there are any public comments?

Sorry, I'm back.

We saw you there. Yeah, I saw David with Midas. Thanks for listening to us again. We appreciate it. So just a couple of clarifications. So the park is a public park and we talked about putting the signage up last time to identify that. So that hasn't changed. So it will, the elevators are open to the public. They'll be able to go right up the elevator and go out to that It is open to the public. It will close probably 10 o'clock at night. I mean, it won't be open 24 hours, right? But it will be open during regular hours, right? the restaurant just want to clarify that because that it will be a third party operated restaurant. Okay. So if you think of it that way, a lot of hotels operate their own restaurant. That's not what this is. This will be a local restaurant, restaurant tour that you guys will recognize running this restaurant. So it really acts more like a freestanding restaurant than a hotel restaurant. If you want to think about it that way. And then on the, um, park parking, um, The parking that faces east, I want to go back and look because the Simmons Bank building that's facing the alley that we're talking about right so Simmons Bank building is there that I think I need to see how far back they go if they go all the way back to same as us. So then the, the, it's really facing the alley not facing the new Sterling apartments, if that makes sense. And so, But I want to go back and look at it just to be clear. And

it will be helpful, I think, when you guys come back because the garage has been such an issue to really kind of be able to see where the garage is in relation to its surrounding properties.

Right. And we heard the garage loud and clear. It's okay. I do think that this building will trigger, you talked about the development on the fringes. I think this project will help trigger development around it, right? I mean, I don't think there's any doubt that us going in and doing this is going to spin off other things around is kind of similar that's what's happened in other parts of Clayton so um and and I just want to just to be clear guys I mean we we we tried we had the um the little the little building between us and Simmons under contract um it and we tried to buy the the parking lot to our south right from the county um we were really it was it very difficult to get those things done. And so at the end of the day, it didn't happen. It wasn't that we didn't try. We wanted to do something bigger and better, but it just, this is what we can get done, right? But I and, you know, the last project, the reason we're back, the reason we've changed this is that the last project we couldn't we couldn't afford to build. Right. I mean, just being honest. OK. And so we have to stay within our means here from a from a cost standpoint in order to get get get something nice done. We want to do something nice. We we we truly are not trying to do something that you won't be proud of because we wouldn't do anything that we're not proud of. So I want to make that clear. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate your time.

Are there any quick comments from

the audience? Elizabeth. My name is Elizabeth, and

I live on Brighton Way. I'm excited. I'm happy that it's shorter than it was before. I'm sorry you didn't get the money to build it taller, but I'm not really. How many condos are there going to be? Is it the same number of condos? Zero. Apartments? No apartments. all the hotel okay i thought there were combination how many parking spaces will be in the parking garage 235

somewhere around there 300 100 235 235 okay and um

I guess the jazz club hours and all of that will be settled on when we get somebody coming in there and all of that's done. Did you say that you have 4,500 square feet of retail? I was having trouble hearing because y'all were too tall for the microphone.

The jazz club is 4,500 square.

Jazz club is 4, 500 square feet. And the retail that you have? Now I'm talking about something that's separate that you haven't already planned for. In other words, originally I thought when this was going on that you were putting aside 1,800 square feet for, and are you still doing that? I'm sorry, I'm supposed to be looking at that.

So that's the space that we converted into the James Club.

Okay, so you're counting that as, okay, okay. And, yes. Thank you Bridget for talking about the parking for the people who were at that meeting on that Saturday morning because that was something I was concerned about because we've already got a high building with apartments at bottom and they're not bottom but you know the bottom and wherever. Yeah. Yeah. thank you two b's and i should know um so other than that i guess i really don't have much more to say the jazz club excites me i'm i'm excited that we are doing something way out of the box for clayton um i'm hoping you can get all of those hotel rooms filled most of the time and then one last question which has nothing to do with this is but are we talking tiffs

Are we talking about TIFs? No. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other comments? No. Well, we thank you for coming tonight. Hopefully it was constructive. I think speaking hopefully for everyone, we're excited to see this go ahead. You've come a long way from the last time, but I think it'll be a great addition to our downtown area. It'll bring about a lot more activity. So we look forward to seeing you again.

Thank you.

There were no hands up online. Oh,

yes. Sure, come on up, introduce yourself and make it brief. Thank you.

Good evening. So I'm a little nervous after hearing how you guys handle that. Like, I am definitely just a little scared of the, you know, the hurdles that we might have to deal with as well, but just being completely open. My name is Antar Schaefer. I work for Agrigenesis, this right here. We are a vertically integrated cannabis company. And so you were talking about doing something completely different for Clayton, you guys do not have a dispensary here. And we found a location 118 Hanley this right next to the car wash and right there we would like to move our current dispensary, and we would possibly like to put it there. We are vertically integrated, as I said, and we actually have the maximum amount of licenses an individual can hold. We do have cultivation, manufacturing, and dispensaries. All of our dispensaries, except for one, are on the western side of the state, and we do have one here in St. Louis, which is on Michigan Avenue on the south side in Carondelet neighborhood. I myself have had a couple of scary situations over there. It is not the safest part of town and given the nature of also the business and everything else, we would like to keep our employees safe and we would like to find a place that we can call home long-term. We were originally there for a year during medical We shut down for the same problems that we are having now. And so we would like to find some place where we could actually establish a nice footprint in the town and get some longevity in there. We are talking to the owners of this location and we're looking at 10, possibly a 20 year lease with them if we were to be approved by the city to do that. We have all honestly operated over 50 licenses in dozens of states as well successfully. And so we would like to, you know, entertain the idea of being here with you guys in Clayton. So my boss actually was able to right here, get the permit application online. And we actually will be on the planning commission meeting on the 7th of July. And we'll also be on the 11th at the Board of Aldermen meetings. So more than anything, I just really wanted you guys to get a little bit of a feel for me, introduce myself, and maybe give it some thought between now and then.

Well, thank you for the introduction. We'll be seeing everything for the Planned Commission meeting July 3rd, I think it is. That will come to us the week before. Okay. So we'll have ample time to look at it.

Okay. Listen to July 3rd. That's what we got approved for and

july 3rd

it's july 3rd that's we did an inventory of the availability of members previously again so we have i know some of you will not be here but we have a quorum as far as we know

so already you guys have requested an interior and exterior plan which we will try to have ready for you as well um And yeah, like any kind of questions, anything, we really are here to try to help integrate ourselves within the community, not just put something there and just take off. We do really think it's important to have the support of everyone because of everything that brings with it as well. The possibility of businesses and expansion and just the traffic it will bring and things like that. So yeah. That being said, I'll see you guys in a couple of

weeks. Well, rest assured, we will certainly review it individually ahead of time and come with questions and comments and handle it as we do all our other applications. And one

final question is, would I be able to, my boss and the CEO of the company, he lives in New Jeffery Yorg City. And so would we be able to join the meeting via Zoom for something like that? Sure. Okay.

final question is, would I be able to, my boss and the CEO of the company, he lives in New York City. And so would we be able to join the meeting via Zoom for something like that? Sure. Okay.

We do do that.

Okay. Perfect. And let me make sure I've got everything covered. One second.

Really, Anna Green, she'll be a great point of contact for

you. Could I give you my information, a card, and maybe take one of yours?

If you've applied already, then our staff will run. I will look for it. All

right, then. I actually think that is all we got. So we'll see you guys in a couple of weeks. Thank

you. Thank you. We still have two people online. Tina Danforth. There's a Tina D online. Tina, did you have a comment? Tina, if you have a comment, unmute. Oh, God. We'll go on. Thank you. Okay. Amy.

No comment.

Hello.

Nothing to

add. There is a meeting July 3rd. Is there any issue whether cannabis is a permitted use? Or is this just an architectural kind of

So, our regulations are up to date with the most recent amendment for the state so we don't have any currently, this would be our first dispensary that would go through the process.

No, no, do they need. Is this a permitted users just a conditional use. Is there an issue for us to be dealing with.

Well, I haven't seen their application, so I don't know if they've applied for modifications to the exterior of the building or if it's just use-related. But it is a use, and I'd have to double-check that district to see if we left it as a conditional use permit or not. I can't remember when we made that amendment.

I mean, I have this vision of a line going to the end of the block. I don't know. And were you on vacation? Yes. i'm back

yeah i noticed i know we're gonna have enough people for that meeting now

well you know what i said i wasn't going to be here i'm leaving for romania on early morning on the fourth my fourth but i think for this i will come

when we did when we did the inventory we had four correct ryan

Yeah, we had enough for a quorum.

I won't be here. And then, Kami, you won't be here? I'll be here. Oh,

you will. Okay. Well, I think I will try to be here for sure.

You know how they bring building samples and stuff? Do you think maybe he could do that? I'm just kidding. I don't

know.

Anything

else, Bob? No. Well, good. We'll see you on the third. Bridget? Carolyn? Nope. David? Ryan?

Yep. Stephanie?

I will just be participating by Zoom on July the 3rd, but I won't be here, just virtually. And I don't have anything further.

Anna? Yes, Ryan, can you pull up the ComPlan website? I want everybody to watch our ComPlan video and then tell everybody else to do it. And special shout out to Bob. You'll see why when she's here.

All I know is jazz club, cannabis. Is this city changing or what?

they

could be fine

and i do not smoke i don't smoke i don't even drink it's uh it's over in the corner now Hey, maybe our speakers doesn't play music, maybe. That's what it's on. So I guess

it doesn't play. Okay. Well, apparently the speakers are not connected to the computer here. So anyway, go on to engage Clayton and you can watch the video with the music. We're going to send this out. So it's basically just a 50 second video about what, you know, come, comprehensive plan, engage in the process. It will be all over social media and other platforms. Just a quick and easy way, instead of directing people to the website to read all this text, you can just have them watch this video. Yep. Yep. So this is a, I mean, you can, Ryan can kind of quickly scroll up and down on this one, but so this is where all of the comp plan information will be housed. So when we do an online survey, it'll be on this website. You can see we have a timeline that will be updated as we go through. If you scroll down more, there'll be dates that will be updated. So when we have official dates for an open house or a pop-up or any other community events, those will be added. People can subscribe to get notifications when this page is updated. And as we hit different phases, we'll add more information.

The Livable Communities Master Plan and all of our other efforts where we're going to reach out to the public, everything will be at that EngageClayton.com site.

Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Welcome to 2021.

Yes, and the reason I said thank you to Bob is that some of his photographs are featured in that video.

Great. So it's up and available for the public now? It is,

yes. We don't have any surveys or anything live on it yet, but all of the information that you're seeing as Ryan scrolled up and down in the video is all available to the public now.

Great. It's moving right along. Okay, anything else? If not, we're

adjourned. See you in July.