May 24, 2022 — Meeting Transcript

Good evening, everybody.

Good evening. I think we're going to get started. Oh, you quieted right down. I didn't I didn't get to use my gavel. Darn. Yeah, so we have a real full agenda tonight. And for for the first time in a long time, we have a real fall chambers which is so fun to see. So we're gonna get started with our seven o'clock meeting if we can have some someone call the roll.

Yes, Alderman Lentz. Here. Alderman Berkowitz. Absent. Alderwoman McAndrew.

Here.

Alderwoman Buse.

Here.

Aldermen Gary Feder. Here. Mayor Harris.

Aldermen Fader. Here. Mayor Harris.

Here.

City Manager David Gipson. I am here. And City Attorney O'Keefe.

City Manager Gibson. I am here. And City Attorney O'Keefe.

Here. Very good. And now we'd like to approve the minutes from our May 10th meeting.

I will move to approve the minutes for May 10th.

Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Any opposed? All right, the minutes are passed. Now's the time in our agenda for public requests and petitions. So anything that's not on our agenda tonight, if we have any visitors in the audience who are not MIAC fans or hear about something else on the agenda, you have any questions or comments or anybody in our Zoom audience? Is there anybody in our Zoom? but they don't look like, well, Krishni's. Yeah. Okay. All right. So I don't see any public requests. So we're going to go ahead and move forward. And the first thing on our agenda is a really fun thing. It's something we do every year in conjunction with Clayton High School, which is working with the Mayor's Youth Advisory Council. And this year we had a record number of students sign up, which was really exciting. I think we had 22 students, Ms. Lyons correct me if I'm wrong, 22 students and they're all here tonight and we're going to show our appreciation for their service but also they're gonna share with you a presentation of the project that they did each year the group does a project for the benefit of the community and they've done all kinds of things. We've done reusable shopping bags. Other groups have done... Oh, they've planted flowers. And last, uh, last time I think it was, we did the, uh, uh, video and a time capsule on the impact of the pandemic on our community. And this year, uh, the, the group has chosen to, uh, create and, and have some help from us installing free little libraries. And so they've picked two and, um, I don't want to steal their presentation thunder, but, um, They've done two of those, and they're going to talk about that. I know that we have a little bit of a technology issue, so I'm going to let you just talk among yourselves for a minute until we get that resolved in the back.

Okay, I think we're ready for the presenters to come

forward. You might wanna all just come forward and be at the podium. And then when it's your turn, not all, just all the presenters. And then when's your turn, you can do your part. Okay. And when you're there, why don't you introduce yourself too?

Okay. Hello. My name is Anima Treva. I'm a junior. And as Mayor Harris said, we're MIAC and we're a group of juniors and seniors from Clayton High School. And one of the things we did this year was learn about local government. And we toured the police department, the fire department, public works, and park and rec.

I'm Ismael Robles-Rzach, I'm a junior. And so every year Maya does a service project and this year we decided to build two little free libraries in Clayton to give back to the community.

Alex Sun, I'm Alex Sun. I'm a junior. So we kind of looked around in the community and online for some like design inspiration kind of figure out what we wanted to do for our project. So eventually we kind of landed on that we wanted to create two libraries that we'd buy from the little free library nonprofit and then be up to figure out where we're going to put them and how we're going to decorate them.

Hi, I'm Ivy Reed. I'm a junior. So when it came to where to put the two little free libraries, we decided to put one here in downtown Clayton just outside City Hall. And then we also wanted one in an area where there are a lot of families and younger kids, since a lot of times these little free libraries have a lot of children's books. So we decided to put the other little free library in front of Taylor Park just down the street.

Hi, my name is Leigh Kleinhans. I'm a junior at CHS. As far as funding goes, every single MIAC student reached out to local Clayton businesses to ask for donations. We received over $700 to help implement these libraries and our donors were Kingside Diner, Straub's, Herbie's, and The Creperie.

Hello, I'm Iris Park. So once we got the little libraries built, we connected with our school's art club and we gave them one to paint. They had a design and the other one was painted by a few of the members of our own MIAC.

Hi, my name is Jesse Wong and I'm a senior. In addition to the little libraries we also wanted to add some little bookmarks whose main purpose was mainly to show who the sponsors were so they're listed on the front. Also, it is to bring awareness to who created these bookmarks in the little libraries, so the Mayak and Clayton logos are on there. And on the back there's also a list of a little like room for people to list what books they want to read so they don't function just as bookmarks but also as something else.

Very good. That concludes your presentation.

Okay, so now I'll come out there and I'll hand out the certificates. And when we give each person a certificate, if you want to stand with me for a second, someone will take our picture. That's someone being our chief.

All right, I can read her in no particular order. Luckily, you just said your name right. Zachary Wang. John Ng. Alexander Slenn. Aidan Simkus. Ivy Reed. Barry Kwan. Ana Matriva. Isaac Millions. Willow Nylander. Jane LaGesse. Lily Kleinhans. Paige Espy. Isabel Erdman. Terophina Corbo. Iris Park. And Jessie Wang. Hey.

So let's

do that, and then you guys can be . We'll give those to you all, okay? Thank you so much. Thank you for coming and for letting your kids participate. It's been good. um you PB, Lupita D

Montoya- group Okay, all right, I think we're ready to move on with the rest of our agenda and we're going to do one thing out of order just to be kind. PB, Lupita Д Montoya- We are going to move up in the agenda to the. PB, Lupite D Montoya- liquor license for posh nosh and so i'll let the city manager report.

Thank you, Mayor. The Poshnosh LLC is requesting a liquor license to sell all kinds of intoxicating liquor at retail by the drink, including Sundays at 815 Maryland Avenue. The Police Department has completed its review of the application and supports the issuance of the requested license. The Planning and Development Department has also approved the application with no objections. The applicant has chosen not to submit a petition from surrounding property owners and first floor tenants. As a result, they are aware that this application must have a super majority vote of five board members to be approved. Staff has requested that a representative attend the meeting. Staff recommends passing a motion to approve the liquor license to sell all kinds of intoxicating liquor at retail by the drink, including Sundays.

All right. Any questions or comments from the audience here or the audience online? First. All right. Any questions from the board is is the applicant here

yeah

hi. want to come up and just

introduce yourself and. The audience online can't hear the speaker.

Oh, okay. All right. Would you say that all over again?

No, it's okay. I'm Catherine Smith, the new owner of the Poshnosh. And I was just thanking the board for having me here this evening and taking a look, taking time to take a look and decide if this is something that you guys would want in the city of Clayton, basically.

What are the Posh Nosh's new hours then going to be?

Well, right now, currently they're 10 to 3. That's Tuesday through Saturday. Closed on Sundays and Mondays right now. Is that going to change? It will eventually. But right now with the labor shortages, it's impossible to extend it. But the liquor license was purchased. And I'm sorry, it seems like I did that out of order because once I read Clayton's licensing and everything you have to have and all of this, it looks like I should have started here as opposed to the state and the county. So I kind of did it backwards. So I apologize for that. But I decided to go ahead and do the entire thing liquor license. That's the, as the gentleman said, all intoxicating liquors, which sounds pretty hard, but I mean, you know, it's basically, I decided to just do the whole thing so that I wouldn't have to reapply once we did open on Sundays and things like that. So, but right now it's just simple beer and wine.

Very good.

Will your menu change at all?

The menu will never change. No.

Okay.

No, no, no, no. No, I worked for the Poshnosh at 16 for the original owners. So it has a special place in my heart. And then I came back and managed in my 20s for the second owners. So no, the menu definitely won't change. Great.

All right. Well, we're glad the Poshnash is going to be around because it's kind of an institution in Clayton.

It truly, truly is. Since 1966, it's unbelievable in that same exact spot. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Okay, any other questions or comments from the board? All right, we can use a motion.

I'll move to approve the liquor license for Poshnosh LLC located at 8115 Maryland Avenue.

Second. All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed? Uh-oh. Sounded delayed. Okay.

Says anything bad? That seven second delay.

Okay. All right. Yes. So you, you, you have your, you have your license, right? We finished it up and we voted. Yeah. Well, thank you so

very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

Okay, now we can go back to the top of our agenda. Did I do something wrong?

No, I just noticed a raised hand on the

participants. Oh, is there a raised hand? I don't see those. David Berland. Okay, we can take a comment from David.

I was just wondering why the Poshnash did not seek a petition from neighboring neighboring businesses.

Already been decided.

But it's been decided, so I'm out of order and I apologize.

This is Kevin O'Keefe. I would indicate that almost none of our applicants go through that process. Almost every liquor license application I can recall has gone through exactly the same way.

I thank you very much for that explanation in context. I Very much appreciate it. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. All right, so moving on, we'll go back to the top of our agenda and open a public hearing for the rezoning planned unit development for Forsyth Boulevard on the Forsyth curve. So I open the public hearing and request proof of publication.

Yes, Mayor. This is a request for a public hearing solicit input regarding the rezoning related plan unit development for proposed mixed use development. The rezoning plan unit development and subdivision plat are being addressed together in this report. Though the plat and the land use elements entails separate ordinances on the board's agenda. The project received architectural review board approval and site plan lot consolidation rezoning and development plan approval by the plan commission on May 2nd, 2022. The 50,063 square foot site includes two parcels located southwest of the intersection of Maryland Avenue and Forsyth Boulevard, adjacent to the Straub's building. The properties currently have zoning designation of C1 Neighborhood Commercial District, with the northern parcel also being located in the Maryland Gateway Downtown Overlay District. The site is currently improved with one- and two-story buildings and a surface parking lot. Adjacent land uses include retail, office, and residential. The proposed project consists of the demolition of the existing buildings and surface parking lot, and the construction of a four-story 42 unit condominium building with a 1,025 square foot retail space on the ground floor. Off street parking is provided with 84 spaces in the basement of the building. The building will total 108,130, 108,130 square feet excluding parking and 144,580 square feet including the parking. The height in the new structure as measured from the average existing grade to the top of the flat roof is 53 feet 9 inches. Access to the parking garage is proposed from Forsyth Boulevard at the southeast corner of the site. Pedestrian access is provided from the public sidewalk on Forsyth Boulevoir at the northeast corner of the property. A loading dock is proposed along the northern property line, along with the proposed location of the transformer. City standard streetscape will be installed along the project limits on Forsyth boulevard. This project does seek relief from certain development standards that are set forth in the current zoning district, which is C1 and other requirements of the Maryland Gateway Downtown Overlay District. A PUD must provide public benefits to the surrounding neighborhoods and to the city above and beyond what can reasonably be achieved by application of the zoning provisions applicable to the original zoning district. The Board of Aldermen may approve alternatives to the zoning regulations, subdivision regulations or design standards applicable to the property proposed to be rezoned to a PUD in exchange for developer provided public benefits. All PUDs shall provide at least one public benefit or combination of public benefits that total at least 10 points beyond those additional points required for any desired code alternatives, even if no code alternative is requested. The developer must also provide five additional points for each alternative requested. So 10 base points and then five additional points for which alternative. For this project, a minimum of 20 points must be obtained. This includes the 10 base points and waivers for the C1 district maximum height requirement and C1 district front yard setback requirement. A table included in the packet summarizes the developer requested code alternatives that will require a waiver from city regulations or standards and the suggested point awards for public benefits provided. The plan commission recommended that 20.36 points be awarded for the public benefits proposed by the developer. The applicant also requested a modification of the step-back required by the Maryland Gateway Overlay District. The plan commission has the authority to modify or remove the step-back requirement for the proposed building outside of the PUD process. Based on characteristics of the site and surrounding area, the plan commission voted not to require step-back. Therefore, the applicant is not required to provide public benefits for a step-back waiver through this PUD process. The approval criteria are set forth in section 405.1410 of the code of ordinances, and it was designed to achieve the objectives as set forth in the zoning code. The plan commission may recommend and the board of aldermen may adopt modifications to the requirements contained in the zoning regulations and subdivision regulations as part of its consideration and approval of a PUD. And considering and acting upon development plans, landscape plans, and other applicable plans the Board of Aldermen shall take the following objectives into consideration through the PD process. That includes the downtown master plan, open space and landscaping, external and internal circulation, design, utilities, buffering, natural features, site layout and land use, compliance with other applicable codes and ordinances, architectural preservation points and public welfare. Detailed analysis of each of these objectives was included in the written staff report. properties have a zoning designation again of C1 neighborhood commercial district with the northern parcel also being located in the Maryland Gateway downtown overlay district or MGD. Rezoning to a mixed use PUD is only allowed in areas where existing zoning designation is non-residential. The proposed buildings total 50,000 gross square feet or more and are located in overlay districts requiring PUD designation. The MGD allows for development under a PUD when the development includes ground floor retail or a public restaurant and either in an office, residential, public parking or hotel uses. A mixed use PUD must contain a reasonable ratio of areas devoted to distinct land use categories as determined by the Board of Aldermen. The first floor of any mixed use building shall include commercial land uses with public entrances to these uses from an adjoining street. Non-residential uses are also allowed on other floors of mixed use building. The proposed development will revitalize underused parcels and provide a transition between land uses in the area. The MGD requires that ground floor uses be retail in nature. As development has progressed, it has been increasingly evident that a mixture of commercial and residential uses is necessary to transition between fully commercial and fully residential areas. while some amount of retail is necessary, an adequate mixture of uses in keeping with the character of the area, the configuration of the proposed building and site layout and other factors outlined in this report are critical in the assessment of permitted uses. Staff is of the opinion that the permitted uses, public benefits and design of the site and building are compatible with the code and the context of the neighborhood. Staff recommends that the Board of Aldermen approve the rezoning and plan unit development per the required development commitments set forth in the ordinance, Exhibit C, Forsyth Curve PUD document. Staff recommends the Board of Alderman also approve the subdivision plat with the conditions set forth in the Ordinance for Adoption.

Very good. Okay, um, I'd like to maybe I think we can, we can entertain a presentation from the developer first, I think and then we can take some public comment. And then we'll have our own board comments.

All

right, thank you. My name is David Robert with Midas and so thank you for considering our project this evening. We do appreciate it. So just a quick overview of the aerial here. We're on the Forsyth turn. We are the owners of the Residence Inn Hotel that's being developed across the street. And so this is the parcel that was the old gas station and the two-story office building between Straub's and Bank of America. Just give you a visual of what's there now. This is the old, I think it was laundromat and a gas station at various times in its life, not right next to Straub's. This is the two-story office building that sits across from the hotel that we're developing. And quite honestly, we're in the neighborhood. We're part of the neighborhood and we keep looking at this and just felt like it was important for the neighborhood to redevelop this site for a for the benefit of our guests and our asset across the street. So we just felt like it was time to do something here. So this is what we were proposing. It's a four story. multi-use building with retail on the first floor, 42 condos, anywhere from 2,000 square feet to 3,300 square feet, two and three bedroom. The garage entrance will be next to Bank of America. It'll be gated and it'll be in the basement. The condo entrance will be on the right side. It does have a dock area next to Straub's. Mostly brick and multiple stone all the way around and glass. We went through ARB and had multiple discussions with them and came out looking like this. They wanted us to curve the building, to curve to the street. And so the building does curve to match the curve in Forsyth that you'll see as we show up the site plan. But we think it's an attractive building for this location. There was a lot of discussion at the ARB meeting about art, and so we have actually gone out and contacted William Sherburn with the Sherburn Gallery and Meredith McKinley via partnership and asked them to help source art for us. Because we're not art experts. So I'm going to show you some things that we like, and it doesn't necessarily mean this will be what it is, but it'll kind of give you a flavor, I think, for what we're proposing for in front of this site. So here's a couple of different things that they recommended that we look at just to give us an idea. and what might be possible in front of our building there. And the plan is to do one large something in front of the main entrance, and then a couple smaller things as you go down throughout the sidewalk. And then this is the existing site plan just to show you guys what is there now, the two buildings that are there now. Currently there are seven metered parking spots out front of the two-story office building. So those will remain with our plan. And then this is our site plan. So we, again, you can see the curve of the building there as it curves in front next to the street. We've actually in the back of the building, pulled the building away from the property line, shrunk the building so that we were farther away from our neighbors to the back. We did put some patios back there, but we moved the building as far away as we could from our neighbors. Um, you can see there in front of the seven meter parking spots are still there, but we do have space right here where we have an opportunity to have six or seven places for guests to either, um, awful, uh, you know, residents to offload or Uber or a service vehicle or taxis or whatever right here in front. And we'll also have an area here to the side. where service vehicles could park. So I know there was some question at the ARB meeting about parking for service vehicles and deliveries, et cetera. And so we've tried to accommodate that in this area here. We've also talked to STROBS and I think they would even help us on some after five o'clock hours if we needed to. But this I think is probably adequate for what the demand would be. This would be the lower level then. Again, we've got a gated lot for all our residents to park below the level. There are some bike racks down there now. That was one of the questions that came out of ARB is that we needed to add some bike racks down in there. So we've added that to the lower level. And then this would be the side looking from Straub's to our delivery area there. And there was a question about, I think on fencing, what the fencing would look like between us and Straub's. So here gives you an example of what that fencing would look like between us and the grocer. And then we've always been concerned. You know, we've met with the neighbors many times and we've always been about fitting into the neighborhood and making sure that we were doing something that was conscientious for the people behind us. So this was just an elevation to show what the office building is across the street. It's a 15 story office building. Our building is four stories and it is about five or six feet taller than the buildings behind us. But we felt like it was a natural transition from the taller buildings down to the lower buildings, the lower condo buildings behind us there. And then this would be the backside. So again, you can see where we have pushed the building in so that it's farther away from our neighbors to the back. Our intention is to fully landscape this area. And I'll show you a landscape plan next, but We've also located all our HVAC units up on the roof so that they weren't located to the back next to our neighbors. We've done an acoustical study to show that that noise from those things should not interfere with our neighbors because the sound actually travels straight across. It doesn't go out and come down. So we feel like that that was a good compromise to try and look after our people behind us. And then this is the actual landscape plan. And I know it's, but our intention, you can see at the bottom, this is the back, there's existing landscaping that our neighbors have already. And then we're hoping we'll be doing this landscaping between us and the neighbors. This area here, and then you can see the landscaping that we're adding out in front along with the art that'll go on a couple of different locations. And that is our presentation. Be happy to answer any questions.

Short and sweet. Yeah. Well, I think at this time, what we would like to do is entertain some questions from our people in the audience. And so I know that I can see at least a couple of people I know that are here to ask some questions. So why don't you all come up one by one? You can introduce yourself and give your address, please, into the microphone and then let us know what you have to say.

Thank you, Mayor. My name is Peter Smith. I'm a resident of 23 Brighton Way. I'm a member of the Board of Directors of the Delmonico Condominium Association at 23 Brighton Way, but I'm here speaking tonight as a resident, not a member of the board. I have a lot of concerns about this project, but before I specifically outline those, I do want to thank the gentleman from Midas Capital because we've had a lot of challenging conversations, and they've always been professional and courteous, so I appreciate that. Thank you. Having said that, this project is too big for the space, and it's too close to the adjacent neighbors. I failed to convince the ARB or the plan commission of that, so I now want to focus tonight on two matters that I think are of significant importance, which this board and the developers and the neighbors hopefully can find a way to resolve in a way that everyone can accept. The first is parking. I understand from the comments just made that some additional effort has been made to locate some spaces. It is the first I've heard tonight. So that's encouraging. However, I don't believe respectfully that the, ARB plan commission, nor the developer, nor up to this point, the city, the staff have really adequately addressed some pretty serious parking issues with essentially 42 households there on Forsyth in a compact area. On any given day, I would think there'll be a certain number of service vehicles, a certain number of, service vendors, certain number of visitors, certain number of deliveries. And I think the developer has done what they could, given the limitations of the site. However, it's my concern that the overflow parking, in addition, and oh, I should say that I'm advised that the developer is going to make some parking passes available to garage across Forsyth for some period of time. As I understand it, it's not been specified, and I don't know if the Subsequent condominium association would be responsible for maintaining that parking pass program or not once the developer has turned the building over to the ownership group. But even with parking passes, if they last, it's my concern that parking rather than for an Ameren truck or a charter truck or a guest or perhaps a cleaning company or landscape company, rather than park at a meter one of the few available on Forsyth, they're going to pull around the corner to Parkside. And if Parkside is full, then they're gonna pull around the corner Brighton Way where I live and Brighton Way is full, they're gonna pull it around the corner to Topton Way. And I think when we have events that are already taxing to the street parking, parties in the park and the art fair, I think this building is going to create an enormous amount of parking issues. And I would really appreciate this body Um, asking some of the hard questions as to exactly what are we going to do about that? So, uh, just the limited number of parking spots is a concern, but a more significant concern is that. Uh, the, uh, public welfare section 12 says the PUD will not be detrimental to the public health safety or general welfare. Well, the city itself, as I understand it has stated that stated that it is not safe to put a pedestrian crosswalk on Forsyth curve. Well, if it's not safe now, is it going to be safer with 42 more families living on Forsyth Curve and being invited to cross the street, cross Forsyth to the parking garage, assuming parking passes are available? Where are they going to do this? You noticed on the rendering, there was no crosswalk in the rendering. There is no crosswalk, no street, no stop sign, no stoplight between Maryland and Brentwood. I myself have crossed that many times. It's kind of a run for your life situation. You can't see around the curve very well. Cars can't see you. You can't them, which is why the city will, as I understand it, will not put a crosswalk there. So tell me how it's going to be not detrimental to the public health, safety, or general welfare to have 42 families potentially crossing that street. So those are my two big concerns on parking. Um, the second area I want to focus on is, is, uh, what I believe is referred to as buffering. So, um, uh, on buffering section seven, it says appropriate buffering is provided to protect adjacent land uses from light noise and visual impacts. All of the renderings that the gentleman showed you this evening show a considerable number of existing mature evergreen trees on the, um, neighboring condominium side of the property line. It's my understanding the city of Clayton is going to require the developer to underground the existing power lines. The Delmonico Condominium Association hired a professional forester from Metropolitan Forestry who has provided us with a written opinion that in order to underground those lines, 23 of those trees will need to be cut down or they will, if they're if the power lines are adjacent to them, it will likely kill them due to the damage to the roots. So none of the renderings that you saw, and again, respectfully, none of the landscaping layout that you saw is in fact likely to be what's gonna happen. All 23, and it's actually any more than that, but at least 20 plus trees will have to be cut down if the city demands that the developer underground those lines. It's my understanding, I won't speak for them, but it's my belief that MIDAS is not interested in doing that. Certainly the condominiums that would be impacted by this, by the loss of our site sound buffer, we're not interested in that happening. So only the city of Clayton seems interested and I appreciate and understand why undergrounding power lines is a good objective. In this case, it would have a bad outcome. the loss of those trees would violate numerous sections. I think five of the PUD proposal, the buffering section seven, the natural features section eight, which says the design of the project is as consistent as practical with a preservation of natural features of the site, such as stands and mature trees. Section three of, John Potter, Well, I get a little lost and then but section three the findings and development plan approval development plan and i'm paraphrasing the development plan. John Potter, As hereby approve this board having found to determine that development for there's following objective appropriate buffering is provided to protect Jason land uses from light noise and visual impacts well cut down 23 trees and I and I don't think that requirement would be fulfilled. Second to last, the environmental landscape and public works directs that all overhead utility lines shall be buried. I mentioned that we had a professional forester advise us that to do so will mean the loss of dozens of trees, mature trees, at least 15 years old evergreens. And it's my belief that if the city of Clayton is the moving force behind that, then it's up to the city of Clay to figure out how to preserve that buffer if it wants to approve this PUD. City of Clayton could write a check to plant a significant number of mature trees. It could choose to not require the developer to underground those power lines, given the extenuating circumstances. There may be other solutions too, but certainly it's the city of Clayton that's pushing this and it's the residents of Brighton Way who will pay the price. Then lastly, The plot rendering provided by Midas Capital, as I said, it shows a number of trees that are called existing trees and vegetation on the rendering that's I believe in your PUD approval packet. And those existing trees and vegetation are likely to be removed or die. So I don't think the, rendering that you have in your document for approval of this VUD, nor the illustrations and site plans that we've seen tonight, in fact, are anywhere close to what the resulting outcome will be. So those are my two primary concerns. Parking overflow onto our streets, safety of pedestrians attempting to cross Forsyth, and the loss of 15 years worth of evergreens that have cost the existing condominium owners a considerable amount of money and appear to be in jeopardy. So thank you for your consideration.

Thank you, Peter. Can

I just ask one quick question?

Are those existing pine trees, I think I saw them, are they within the Ameren right-of-way? Yes, they are. Ameren could come in and tear them down themselves.

Yes, they could, but I have spoken to Ameren and they have no interest in doing so. I've talked to three engineers. They told me that they have no plans to do it. However, if Clayton ordered the developer to do it, then they would do it as long as somebody paid. And I can assure you that we kind of minimum owners are not going to pay. So that would mean Midas or the city, but yes, we knew when they were planted in the easement that Ameren could cut them down, but that's not what is being discussed here tonight.

Thank you. All right. Do we have other folks

that would like to make a comment or ask a question?

I'm Christine Pennell and I live at 23 Brighton Way, Delmonico as Peter does. I don't have a lot to say because Peter's pretty much said it all and what he put together is right on. Again, I wanna emphasize the parking issue. It's not been, I've not given any assurance that we are gonna have parking. We've told that there's gonna be a pass to give into people to park in the garage across the street That's fine, but no one said to me how many spots. No one said to me what time of day, whether there's a charge and they could always at any time, anybody can say, oh, well, we've got a lot of, we're full this weekend or we've got this and they're not gonna do it. And once the developers are gone, the condominium association can say, well, no, they don't have to do that for us. So I have no assurance of that. And crossing that curve area with no traffic, when it was a ghost town back there, it's dangerous to cross that place. I mean, I've lived there 15 years. So parking is a big issue and all the service people, the cleaning people, the guests for the gym that they supposedly are gonna have, people that work in the building, guests. I just think it's going to be a nightmare. And I think it is going to overflow into our streets. I can even see on weekends where families going to Shaw Park, watch their kids play, to do this. It would be pretty sad for those people to have to be driving around trying to find a place to park so their kids can eat their Saturday. I do wanna say that MIDAS has worked hard to accommodate our needs and we still have great concerns. I was encouraged that the acoustic study was done. I haven't studied it closely, but it looks like they have done all the levels which you're concerned they hadn't done level three and four. So I do appreciate that and I am encouraged by that. But I still think those are, the parking is a big issue and these things about the trees. I don't really know a lot about that. Peter's done a lot more research on that, but to me, I don't know how it can be done, but I just think there needs to be some kind of compromise, something between the city and Midas and the residents on what we can do to make this a better thing, even if we have to do some compromising. I don't know. The trees, we would lose our trees, but the trees that they have put back there are deciduous trees. So there's not going to be any leaves on those in the winter. And they're probably going to be this big or this big anyway. And it took us 15 years to get the privacy that we have. So those are my main concerns and I appreciate. Thank you

very much. Do we

have anyone else that would like to address us? Yeah. I'm Herbert Seidel.

I live at 23 Brighton Way. I'm amazed that we turned out more people for the Aldermanic meeting than we turn out for our board meeting. Peter and Chris both expressed our major concerns. It seems that I would just like to add that with a PUD, I believe that some of the agreements between developers and in order to get a PUD that the changes would go with the land so we have some desire to see that these arrangements, particularly when it comes to parking and foliage perhaps, would be considered as part of the PUD and have them go with the land as the development goes forward. For those aldermen who are from wards other than the ones that have to do with the Shaw Park neighborhood, I would like to invite them on any given weekend from spring through fall to come and see the parking situation as it exists currently in the area that we're discussing, which is Brighton Way, Topton Way, and Parkview. or parkside rather, those areas are heavily parked throughout the weekend period while teams are playing at the athletic fields which are immediately adjacent to those areas. So these are the areas and as far as the foliage, again, it was adequately covered in terms of its current situation but If there's such a thing as reasonable expectation, most of the unit owners along Brighton Way, along the east side of Brighton Way, purchased their properties while looking at a two-story commercial development that had a large parking area in the rear of it. which adequately buffered their residential property from basically a commercial property. Now, even though there has been some degree of cooperation in trying to move the rear of the building forward and separated, I think Our residents are particularly concerned about the development of some recent condominiums along Topton Way, which appear to be practically breathing down the neck of residents on the west side of Brighton. So we are concerned and would have liked to have seen a smaller project that provided additional spacing between the rear of the properties. But with that in mind, I thank you all for your time. And I will also concur that the Midas people have been pretty receptive to comments made. But I think that the appearance of the number of parking spaces, and I don't know the dimension of the seven parking spaces which they're talking about preserving, but we believe very firmly that for 42 residential units, that the number of domestics our service personnel, our contractors doing various and sundry modifications to a particular unit would find themselves very inadequately spaced for parking. Thank you very much.

Thank you, appreciate it. Anyone else would like to address us? How would the board feel about having someone from the developer come up and talk just a little bit about the parking issue.

There's not anybody. I just want to make sure nobody was

raising their hand. Okay,

right.

Thanks. So thank you. Thanks,

Peter. It's nice to see you guys again. So we have, I mean, we've, we have adequate parking in the building for our residents. I think the concern from the resident for the neighbors was Mark Benthien, ECA- Parking for guests and service vehicles, and so we do have access because we have the hotel across the street, so we do have. Mark Benthien , ECA- Access to the garage it's behind the hotel across the Street our intention never was that people should cross there, there is a there's a crosswalk at Maryland that they can cross there but. That was, since then we've been able to work on the, and we got this feedback from our neighbors and we've been able realize that we have space out front where we can have anywhere from five to six spaces. And the spaces are full-size spaces. They're not, we didn't cheat them. They're regular size, the seven meters that are there now stay. And we do think the meter parking will get used for service people too. I mean, that is what it's there for. but we've added some additional parks or space in front. We will have a doorman at this building, so there will be somebody right at the door to help make sure that those spaces, that space out front is used for guests, for service vehicles that are for our building that other people are not parking there. And then we have along the side of our building space for at least two service vehicles if in fact that's needed. The buffers in the back was another comment. And this actually came up in our, I'm

sorry. I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, but if we could just go back to the parking situation. So, because based on your renderings, you have those seven metered spots. And then on that rendering though, then you talked about, was it four or five spots that would be designated like visitor? Is that?

Yeah, I mean, I think they're intended. So Ana's just seen this for the first time too, because we just figured this out. Okay, so in fairness, she hasn't even seen the check. So we... What we believe we can do is hash this area, okay, and identify it so that it's going to say something to the effect that, you know, almost like valet parking for a better term. It will do something to sign it so that they know that this is for guests who are dropping off people or whatever at our complex. And then we'll have a doorman out there to help monitor it. That is kind of our goal.

So you'll have, you know, these six or seven metered spots and then we'll have, it'll be like four spots. Is that four to five? I think it's,

do you remember Tom? six to seven, six to seven

additional spaces. That there would be some sort of crap signage that says Apex visitor parking only. Right. And then you would potentially have a door person who would be monitoring that. And I, you know, cause like when I go to Maryland walk, which I understand is totally different, but they literally have, if you park back there and you're there, if you're walking the other way, the doorman will come and get you.

Right.

So Is that kind of what you would see that you would have? So people who were actually visiting and walking into the building, they literally have to be walking into the building servicing the building in some way visiting a friend. So the door person would monitor that. So then you have those spaces that are purely that will be more of your visitor parking.

Correct. That's correct. Along with the metered parking too. I mean, the metered parking is there for that too.

David, can I ask? I know that if I understand correctly, you're talking about adding six or seven spaces. I think it would be helpful, particularly if this matter is not resolved at this meeting, some kind of updated drawing that would basically show exactly where those spaces are with some designation so that to the extent that plan is approved as part of the PUD, it's quite apparent where those spaces are and what the size of the spaces are.

So we do show it on the plan. It is right in front of our building. So if you think about it now, there are four driveways there now. Okay. So we're eliminating two driveways in our development. And should I get there here?

Yeah, it was in one of the renderings. It just...

So there we go. So... So these are the metered parking spots that are there now. Okay, they stay and nothing changes there. And then we have this additional spaces in front of the entrance for the condos that again will be monitored by a doorman who's standing right here, okay? And so if somebody pulls in there, he's gonna walk out there and say, why are you here, okay? If they're not here for business or guests or residents, They're going to move, okay? And so these are the ones I'm talking about. In addition to that, we have space on the side of the building for service vehicles. So if there would be the charter guy, the AT&T guy, whoever, a plumber, there is availability to park them on the side in addition to the metered spots. So those would just be for service vehicles on the side. Those would be where the moving

trucks meet.

Yeah, it's a move-in space also. So if somebody is moving in and out, that's where they would back in to move in and out. So they're not unloading on the street.

And also too, just because I'm, you know, in order to attract people to this building, which I guess if the project gets approved is more your problem than our problem. But, you know, will you, would you imagine that since these will be condos that, so you're I guess if it's a smaller unit condo, would you reduce the price and maybe only if somebody only wanted to buy one space? And then would you perhaps add additional visitor parking inside the building if spaces allow? I'm just wondering if you're envisioning that there might be additional visitor parking within the

building. Yeah, you're exactly right. So, I mean, it is one space will come with the units and then they'll have the opportunity to buy an additional space in the basement. And as time goes on, we do think there will be people who do not have two vehicles, right? and don't need two spaces down there. We will have charging stations down there too for electrical cars, but you're right. We think that there could end up being guest spots down there now, but we don't know that yet. We really don't know until we sell the condos as to what kind of demand there is for that garage.

And that, I mean, that you, cause you opened the door, how many electric? Cause I was wondering if you were going to have electric charging stations. That's probably a really important thing these days, given the current. I mean, the

intent is we're going to wire the whole basement for that. I don't know that we'll put them all in on day one because in other places that we're at, we're finding that it's, it's anywhere from two to 10 is where you start. And then you just see as demand. So you're pre-wired. So if we need to add more, we can always add the, the connections.

I understood, David, and this may be incorrect, that the garage would be sort of a card entry. Correct. So that if you're a condo owner, you have a card, but if you were visiting, for example, you'd be wasting your time trying to park in the garage

because you couldn't get in, right? You couldn't get in. I mean, I don't have the technology guys here, but there would be, we believe there will be technology that A resident could open the garage for a guest, okay? But I don't claim to be an expert on that. But that's pretty far down the road. But again,

to follow all of McAndrew's question, the fact that you have 42 units and 84 spaces doesn't mean that 84 spaces will be taken by those 42 condo owners, because some of them will only take one. So there may be, in fact, extra spaces. The question is how to make them available

to others. And we plan on planning for that in the beginning. We just don't know if there will be guest parking down there or not. Any other questions on parking?

One of the during construction of the building, I think you said it, maybe the plan commission that the the people who actually work on construction will be parking in the Midas owned garage across the street.

Correct. On the ninth

floor, I think you

said. So we have space on the top floor of the garage. So we're building the hotel across the street and we have contracted a floor on the top of the garage for all our construction guys to park. So we're trying to keep them off the street now and getting them into that garage building that's tucked away behind the hotel. We would do the same thing for this one is make our construction guys park across the street in the garage.

David, if parking on nights and weekends is an issue, not just during the weekday, but nights and weekends too, have you considered working out an agreement with the bank parking lot to provide auxiliary parking for

Yeah, I've tried. I can't find the right person at Bank of America to help me with that, but that is, yes, we've tried. But I do think that's an option.

Yes, ma'am. The references to getting passes to park in the garage across the street, is that something... just for the construction, or is that something that was being offered? So

one of the things that, so we're trying to find out what the really demand is for these, you know, because we realize that there will be housekeeping crews that come clean these condos, right? And there will be people that service, people that come help. So we're not quite sure what that demand is. One of our options is we would secure parking at the garage that's across the street the doorman has passes basically, you know, cards that he could give to a service personnel. They can go park across the street. And we're thinking like a housekeepers who come every week, we'll be able to educate as to how to do that. Right. I mean, because they're coming every week, the hard part will be the charter guy and the AT&T guy, cause they don't care, you know, they're going to spark wherever they want to park. But, uh, But we think like the regular service people will know that they can pull up, see the doorman, get a key card, drive across the street and park in the garage.

And you see that as something that would be permanent?

It'd be permanent. It'd be ongoing. Yes, ma'am.

That'd be some type of assurance that you could give the neighbors that that would be?

Yeah, that is our intent. Yes,

ma'm.

John Potter, The buffer was that the other big item that the back and this came up in our neighborhood meeting on the very first meeting and I actually brought it up because. John Potter, I was concerned that they have a they have 30 and 35 foot trees back there very nice trees in the right of way, and I was concerned that if we had to bury these things. I would be making my neighbors mad, okay? I'm just being honest with you. And so I brought it up to Peter and the crew at the neighborhood meeting that we are not, we would rather not bury the lines, just be honest, okay? And it's not a money issue. It's that I think that having those mature trees back there benefit them as much as they benefit me on our side. So we plan on adding more trees on our side of the fence, but having those mature trees on their side make it better for both of us. If you bury the lines, it's not just behind us too. I mean, Bank of America still has above ground lines behind them. So does Straub's. They'd have to bury the lines going from the property line to each of their condos too. I mean it is quite the undertaking. And so our opinion is we would prefer to not have to bury the line. We think it's the right thing to do for the neighbors. And so that was our opinion.

Very good comments about that I think Bridget.

Can you just talk a little bit the i'm not sure what kind of trees are back there what trees you're planning on putting in

yeah I think we're putting in mostly pine trees.

It is, so it is a lot of it is pine trees that will be then obviously not flowering but right

mostly pine trees not not a lot of leaves and so

like a percentage 60% pine trees or what are you. Okay.

Yeah, we've submitted, can you see it on? I don't know if it says on there or not. It's a high number. I don't know what it is. There are a few decorative trees for better term, you know, to give us some color, I think, but for the most part it's pine trees.

I wonder if I could ask, as this process has evolved You originally had a landscape plan, and I think there were some comments at the plan commission about the type of trees that would be used, et cetera. I think this issue about underground lines and the impact on the existing trees in the right-of-way is a fairly recent issue, or at least it seems to have come up significantly in the last couple of weeks. So one question I have for you is, is it possible, a lot of this I think has to do with, of course, buffering the property between the two sides so is there more that you think you could do in terms of if you look at your original landscape plan of three weeks ago recognizing there is now this issue about this potential loss of trees in the easement is there something realistically you could do to further buffer this this area as an alternative to having to deal with the right-of-way yeah

so i mean it I mean, we're going to heavily landscape the area no matter what, but it's hard to find 35-foot trees to plant, right? So, I mean, we are not going to be able to get the kind of coverage that is already there. So, that was the concern. And we don't want to put a wall up. That's just ugly, okay? So, I think we'd rather do it with landscaping.

I guess my further question about the trees, I don't think anybody, to me, the issue is not initially the trees. It's the lines and the impact of the interaction between some poles in the back there, at least a couple of which look like they're pretty close to falling down, and the risk that creates for this, for the Delmonico and for other area properties around there this interface between these trees and the lines seems inherently not to be a good idea in terms of power outages, which we just had in the last week or so. So I think that's really the dilemma is it seems preferable to get rid of underground, to go underground. It's not preferable to get But that's the difficult issue here. It does seem preferable to get rid of, to go underground with those lines. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But how do you think we could potentially accomplish that and still deal with the tree issue?

Yeah, I mean, we... we'd like to bury the ground. We would love to bury it in a perfect world. We would love the power lines because it is, they, our lines aren't necessarily attractive and for either, either us or our neighbors behind us. So what we get that, um, I didn't really want to fight with my neighbors. And I really felt like that if we bury these lines, I have to knock out all their trees. I don't think we want to go back and plant trees. Well, we can't plant them in that right away again because they won't live, I don't think. And we can put some more mature trees on our side of the fence But it's just going to take time for them to get what they already have. So to get that barrier.

I think at this point, you know, with regard to that, I know that we as a city have tried to get ourselves educated. We've talked with some Ameren folks recently just to understand the options and what the complications are. I think they are going to apply some teamwork to the issue and really come up with what are the options here and what are the possible outcomes? And that they will share that with all of us. And I think we can talk more about this issue then it will be before the next meeting. We're open to

suggestions. We're just identifying that it's something that is important to both us and our neighbors.

Yes. And it's important to us too. I mean, and Gary, you said it pretty well, but I mean, as a city, you know, we were looking at the long-term here and the more lines we can bury, the less risk we have of outages in the future. And certainly we have a lot of those and the weather cycles are getting worse and worse. So from that big picture perspective, yes, but also we recognize the complications in this particular area. So We're going to take a real hard look at it and we'll be, we'll have a lot more information shortly in a week or so. Yeah.

Appreciate it.

Yeah.

And two, I just want to add, I just, so the residents are clear. So Gary and the mayor and I, we had reached out to Ameren because you know, you had a number of questions we talked about, you know, can we bore the lines under the trees and then we could preserve some of the trees. And so certainly having questions about that and whether or not, you know, I mean, that was just trying to understand from Ameren's perspective, because as Rich Benson and Alderman Lentz mentioned, at any point Ameren could come in and say, we need two new poles here. So we have to tear out all these trees. So I didn't want to find out that we didn't bury the lines or, and all of a sudden then a year from now, they say, you know what, this pole looks terrible. So we have take out these five evergreens. So understanding from Ameren's prospective, can you just give us some idea? Can you go look back there and tell us what you think? So we had a long discussion with them today and I think they really do plan to give us some idea of some options over there. The problem is they, in this, even though we reached out a few ago, they hope to kind of fast track something and really have somebody go back there and give us some ideas for, you know, really have a really a good hard look at the site and be able to give us a better idea of maybe the best outcome for the lines and for the trees back there.

We're open to suggestions. We're not being stubborn, but we would like to try to save the

trees. We understand that. And of course, we would want to share all that with you and see what we all can come up with that's maybe a compromise. One thing I just have to say, I don't know how you guys got away with having those pine trees running on those lines the way they are growing up in them because they don't allow that in my yard, but kudos to you. they come and hack the tops of my trees off on a regular basis. So, okay. So I think that that's probably most of our questions. I did want to just compliment you on your choice of, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see. Go ahead, Becky.

Yeah, I just want to put a clarification. Like, are we looking to wrap up? Like, would this be because I have some questions and comments.

I think we're just going to wrap up these two topics. And yeah, and I'm sure that we'll have some more discussions about. Okay,

I don't have anything on these two topics. I have

other. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. So Mr. Smith.

Sorry, can you come up speak into the microphone? Thank you.

I was a little confused. It's Peter Smith, 23 Brighton Way. I was confused at the illustration that showed seven kind of reserved spaces towards the entrance of the building. Can a developer just decide to own seven spaces on the city of Clayton public streets?

I'm gonna leave that to David.

So this is the first time we've seen that. We'll have to have that conversation with them. They're shown in an area where there presently aren't spaces, I believe. So we'll need to figure out if that's gonna be on the private side of the street or what the width is after those spaces would go in. That's a conversation we have to have. It's the first time we'd seen that.

Right, I would say if the city of Clayton is allowing private owners to own spaces in front of their building We'll take seven.

But we do allow private businesses to rent spaces through various programs we have.

Is this a private business or is this a residence that we're talking about? This is a

residence, but we'll have to look at the situation. Again, this is the first time we've seen this, so we'll need to have that conversation with the developer.

And we will be following that closely. The other question I have is the... The city of Clayton would be the one who is, would be developed or directing that the trees be cut down. So I'd asked the city attorney, does the city of Clayton have the right to take our property? I understand if Ameren wanted to come in and cut them all down, they have that absolute right due to the utility easement. I don't understand how the city of Claydon has the right to destroy our property. I'd like to, I guess ask if the city does have that right

to destroy our property.

Well, if I may, you're not my client. So with all due respect, I don't provide legal advice to the public. But the issue is whether or not a utility line, which is the purpose of the easement, is to be removed from an elevated place to a buried location And that is strictly a question of the location of the line. It's not the city taking any property interest because the line can be relocated at the will of the line owner, which is Amrit.

So I think what you're saying, if I understand it correctly, is we should hire an attorney to represent us on that matter because we're not going to frankly sit still and let the city of Clayton take our property. I appreciate that you can't give me legal advice, so what you've told me is we need to probably consider hiring an attorney of our own.

I think the main point is that all the city would be doing, if we do, would be requiring the burial of the lines. The rest of it is up to Ameren. how that easement is handled. It's not our, you're right, it's not our responsibility.

Right, so I'm not an attorney, but I played one for 40 years in the media business, so I think we might explore our options there. The other question I have is the doorman who is going to play an important role, however the parking situation works itself out, I would ask that the POD include a requirement that post-development, that the association as part of this PUD would be required to retain a doorman in perpetuity because there'd be nothing that would require them otherwise once the condominium association takes over the property from Minus Capital.

Okay, very good. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. So I was, Becky, before you raised your hand, so to speak, I was just going to comment on one other thing that David mentioned during his presentation, which was just that you've tried to address the art issue with the employment of, or the contracting would be a partnership who I've worked with and the city has worked with and Clayton Community Foundation has worked with for years and years. And so that is a little insurance policy that we appreciate, yeah. Okay, so now I think what we would be doing is going through the various aspects of the PUD and the points and seeing if we have questions about each of those. And normally I would go in order of seniority on that. So I think, Ana help me figure out the best, most efficient approach. We just take each one in turn and ask for comments about it? Okay, so all right. So that would mean that we would first be looking at, I've got the chart. We'd first be looking at the design of the building with architectural distinction. And do we wanna talk about that? And I'll go, you know, I'm sort of at the will of the board here. I can go seniority or I can let the ward three Alderman speak first since it's in their ward.

Mayor, I would also say for anyone following along, this can be found on page

10 of the

packet.

Mayor, I was just wondering if

there's one of you, the architect or more, would you mind just speaking a little bit more towards, because I don't, just the materials on the building and how, because it kind of just looks like a brick building to me. So maybe if you could just talk to us a little bit more about the materials and how that might, you know, kind of benefit the appearance of the building throughout the day. I, you just, I know you talked about that at ARB and I thought it was helpful.

So Tom Young with HDA architects. So here's the material palette for the project.

As David mentioned previously, it's wrapped on all four facades in masonry and cast stone bands. And then you can see some of the brick patterning that occurs in the image on the screen to the left of the window. So there'd be an offset header brick that would create some texture and some richness. So it is a contemporary design, but utilizing traditional materials that you'd see in the neighborhood. So We want to do something interesting, but also something with some value and richness to the facade. So glass railings at all the oversized balconies. So these are large terraces for all the units. So we created some consistent vertical bands as you move your way around the building. But then we activated the facade, which is kind of a more playful window pattern that's accented with the precast vertical pieces, the vertical header element, which is like the darker gray above the window. Like I said, some of the offset header bricks to the left of the window. Um, and as David mentioned previously, we went to a conceptual ARB review with a couple different concepts and we got some feedback, um, from the board that they liked the idea of having kind of a larger monolithic looking building that had a radius, a soft radius that matched, uh, Forsyth. So kind of an interesting experience as you walk along the sidewalk, um, with some activation, like I said, with a little playful

window pattern.

I have a question. So if I look at the building from the bird's eye view, it's not actually curved, it's several straight lines, but are you saying that you're actually gonna make an attempt on the facade to give it the actual curve?

Yeah, on the Eastern facade along Forsyth, you will see... It is faceted at the recessed balconies, but that is one continuous curve that is basically offset from the property line 10 foot approximately, 10 foot plus. So everything on the east facade would be curved and then radiused at the corners. But then as we move on the south facade and along the western side, they became more flat just because they weren't riding the radius of a street. And also there's no pedestrian

experience along that sidewalk, so. Other questions about the architecture, folks?

Okay. Thanks. Any discussion about the points that have been assigned there?

I don't know. I guess Ira's not here, but can you just speak to why the plan commission, why they went down to three points from the, do you know? I mean...

Yep, so a lot of the elements that were just explained to you were also highlighted by the plan commission. But then during that discussion, they felt that this kind of still just warranted three points when they were looking at the scale of the architectural distinction compared to other features, so.

Okay. The other thing at the board is some people give us four, some people give us a two. So everyone has a different aesthetic. So it's very difficult to nail down what everyone's ideal aesthetic may be for this project and property. So that's the point I want to make is there were some fours and there were some twos and brings you down to a three.

Yeah, the numbers that you see, which is why we ended up with the decimal places more averaged of what each, so each member of the plan commission architecture review board gave their number of points that they recommended assigning, and then we averaged those.

I would, I mean, if you're looking for any support or whatever, I mean, I would go along with the three. I think it's nice that it's curved. I think that's a great addition. I like the materials, but the overall look to me is there's nothing memorable that people will walk away and go, oh gosh, that's an incredible building. So I'd go one of the three.

Very good. I guess I'm kind of wondering about the glass just real quick. Does it have a color? I know a lot of the redos we've had downtown have had like this bluish glass or sometimes it's a really reflective glass like on the Centene building. What kind of, there's a fair amount of glass here. What is your, what's that look going to be?

So for the glass guardrails, we just proposed a clear glass or typical glass and everything else. I'd imagine it being a residential development. It wouldn't have a reflective glass like an office facade would where you can't plan. There's a lot of office modules or desks or casework up against the glass. we'd plan for something that's pretty clear. And then, you know, with the plan, there'd be a nice, you know, roller shade or something for privacy within the units.

Okay. Next on this list is the... Oh, are we? Excuse me. I can't see you, Becky. I've got a map on my screen. So I'm sorry, I didn't know you were... yeah i didn't

know if susan was gonna have anything to say but if she doesn't then i'll go

okay go

ahead um in terms of architectural significance i am not um interested in like assessing the aesthetic like a value of the building. I'm not a designer, I'm not an architect. But what I read in this standard and benefit evaluation is whether the building is distinctive or significant. And I'll say right up front, I like the building, what I've seen of it at this point, but I don't see it being distinctive or significant. People aren't going to be like, oh, that building, it's not going to have like a way that people refer to it, like a pineapple or something, right? So in my mind, even three points seems high When the building in my, like, as far as I can tell, won't be something like notable. You know, keying in on those words, distinction and significance. It's a very nice building. I'm happy with it from that perspective, but I don't think it meets that standard. And so, you know, my instinct in terms of points would be to consider going even lower, like two points. So I'd just like to share that perspective.

Okay, very

good. Regarding the architecture, I know we often in Clayton look for this so-called wow factor. And I see a lot of buildings in the Central West End or when I was down at the ballpark, the building where you look out into center field has pretty big wow factor. On the other hand, I also think that, and I'm not an architect, is that If you're dealing with a four story building on a relatively small lot, the ability to do that sort of achieve that wow factor is much, much less. And so I think to make the comparison here to some of these buildings in the central West end or downtown is not reasonable. I think at the end of the day, we've got a new building that mirrors the curve that we've always talked about. I think that is significant. And so I, I think within the context of the, size of the lot and the size of the building, you know, God forbid it was a 10 story building. You know, we'd have, we'd have a hundred people here. It's a four story building. And in that respect, it fits in nicely, I think with what's around it. And so I think the architecture is appropriate. And for me, it's significant enough that I, you know, for what it's worth, I would, I agree with the staff recommendation on the points.

Other comments on that?

Yeah, I mean, I would tend to agree with Gary. I would err on the side of a closer to four points because I do like the building and I guess I would just kind of echo what Gary said. I like the materials. I think it will look nice at different times of the day depending on how the sun is hitting it and whether it's cloudy or not cloudy. And I think as Gary said, I think we are somewhat limited by the size of the building and So I would tend to err on it being closer to four

points. You know, I would just say, I see what you're saying, Becky. You know, one of the things we haven't mentioned, which I don't know if was discussed at a plan commission, but the building that was there before was a mid-century modern building. And there were people that were very interested in preserving it. No one, you know, Jane themselves the building, but there were certainly you know historic historical architect, you know these landmark folks that were questioning about it. And I do think that this is a very reasonable attempt to mirror and honor that former design and and and the curve along the top is really what completes that so I mean the former building wasn't actually curved either it was a series of angles so I think that from that perspective, I too, I agree with everything everyone is saying normally and this time as well. But I think that's an additional consideration when we're talking about significance because again, it is honoring that former design which was deemed by many architectural experts as very significant. So I'm good with the rating as it is. I'm also okay with taking it up a point if you all want to. And how do we decide that? Do we take a vote or what? That or decimal points. 3.5.

No, I would prefer not doing decimal points and voting on one number.

Yeah. All right. We've got two fours. Three is fine. I would

say three.

Three.

And Becky's a two. So I think we'll leave it at three.

Okay. Very good. Got one done. One is done. Okay, can we move on to the next one, everyone? The next one is enhanced public infrastructure that exceeds code requirements. This could be onsite common areas, improvement of streets, curb sidewalks, stormwater buffers and lighting. And what's shown here is the provision of a landscape buffer along the rear and enhance front yard landscaping and providing a rain garden in the front of the building. Does, oh yeah, nevermind. So that I'll save that for the next one. So do we have comments about this? I'll let the Ward Tree Alderman speak up first.

I was just kind of wondering exactly where the rain garden was or what it is. Or if you could just explain a little bit more. Great.

Hi, Steve Mather with Midas Capital. There's a couple things that we tried to do with regard to infrastructure for this building to try to have a positive impact on our community. We've incorporated blue roof elements, which I'm not sure if you all are aware of what blue roof elements are. Essentially it's stormwater retention held on top of a structure. So there are like green roof trays, but these are blue roof trays that hold that water and slowly release it. So when a storm occurs, that storm surge doesn't hit the infrastructure like it would. And so that was one element we did. Rain gardens, we're going to incorporate at the rear of the building in between those terraces and the property line, we have a swale and along those swale, we have some storm inlets. And our intention is to plant that swale as a rain garden as well to again minimize the amount of water that's immediately going into those storm sewers. And then we also thought that it was because this slope of the site from north to south gives us an opportunity on that southeast corner to incorporate yet again another area to capture that stormwater in the rain garden.

I tried to find examples of blue roofs and there's not really, it's not really. It's a

very

new

product.

I mean, one of the images had a bunch of round things with rocks. So then the water, I mean, I don't, I don't know why. And then some had just big tubes where it held water. So these are

trays that have a medium inside of it that holds the water almost very much like the styrofoam when you buy a plants and they're stuck down in the styrofoam. It's kind of like that. It holds that water, but it has the ability to release it. And also what blue roofs do is it holds that water so that a portion gets evaporated back out into the sky.

And just because I know that this came up with one of the residents, I think Mr. Seidel had asked me at one of our coffees, you know, when you're holding that water, is there any concern about, you know, Mosquitoes or, you know, understanding how fast it's evaporating. That

medium is treated to prevent

mosquitoes. So that's not an issue.

Shouldn't be. Steve, on that same point, I realize it's unreliable to Google things and rely on those as sources, but I did see some of the discussion about some of these these innovations, this issue about mosquito control, and that there was a whole section about how you really have to deal with that. So again, I guess to Alderwoman McAndrew's point, since there is concern about the people behind your future project about mosquitoes, how can we make people comfortable that that will be dealt with?

Yeah, our intention is not, so there certainly are varying degrees of blue roof systems that hold varying degrees of water. And in some projects, we're looking at holding kind of upwards of four or five inches of water because the MSD infrastructure is not capable of handling the storm surge. So in this particular case, we don't have a stormwater problem. We, you know, if you look at the a study that was done on this project, it was determined that no additional retention was necessary on this project. So this is an additional feature that would hold an additional one inch of water in these trays. And that would be an amount that would not be held there for an extensive period of time. That again, would not give the ability for mosquito to lay eggs and larvae, et cetera, before it slowly releases into the system.

It's related to my question too, looking at the blue roofs, which I appreciate the opportunity to research it. And then when you're putting the HVAC systems on the roof and if you're only doing an inch holding, is there any way to measure the stormwater or the delay that it causes if you're doing, depending on the size of the system and whether you double membrane or whatever they talk about on these sites? What impact do you expect this to actually have?

every amount of water that you prevent from surging into the system is a benefit. And so we believe that even holding, you know, an inch of additional water in these trays is going to have a positive benefit for the storm system.

And the trays will be pretty much all around the roof except where? So

obviously that center is going to have mechanical units, but we intend to ring it with a series of these trays. Okay.

And I saw that you increased the permeable surface of the property too, which is great.

Good, thank you. So any further questions about number two here?

Yeah, I'm not sure I understood because I'm looking at the diagram and I don't know if you had a different diagram up um during um the gentleman's comments but i'm not really seeing where there's a space for a rain garden on the southeast side so i'm just trying to understand like where that is proposed in fact like or and is it actually of any size to be significant i think

it was a couple of years ago

come out and is there a diagram that shows it? I was kind of looking for one.

It was one of these items that came up while we were going through the process of identifying our points that we proposed, you know, coming up with the rain garden issues. It didn't get updated into the latest landscape plan, but we'll get at it.

What's the approximate size of it, I guess, in answer to Becky's question.

Go back to that. So this entire area here along the back has a series of storm drains. I think if I...

Yeah, just if I could, for a point of clarification, that's the bioswale, which we'll talk about in item four, right? This is what you're asking for two points for in our second line item, which is described as a rain garden, and you suggested it was in the southeast corner.

The rain garden would have been added here on the southeast corner. Didn't mean to go backwards. So as everything is draining in this direction, it gives us the opportunity to collect that here along this southeast corner. But with that again will be added to the landscape plan.

How does it go there coming down the sidewalk without going into the garage?

Well, we're gonna have to deal with the slope of the paving in this area to allow that path. There's a way to provide graded inlets with a tube basically draining that would allow it to pass that

one. And I'm not very good at measurements on these things. How about how big is that in terms of square feet or something? Or is it...

I would say we're likely to have a rain garden that's in the 75 to 100 square feet. So

yeah, Becky, did you have any more questions on that? I can't see you right now.

I just have a comment when we're ready to go around and comment on this one. Thank you. I

had one more infrastructure I forgot to ask. Very good. And this probably is you again. If this is looking for public benefit, with infrastructure, if you're putting all the electrical vehicle charging stations inside the garage and you're contemplating street parking as well, would you consider putting something accessible outside of the gated garage as well?

We would consider it. I'm not 100% sure how public charging on metered parking would work. So we would definitely consider it.

It really depends if Dave gives us that parking strip up there. So then, yeah, we put some- I was

just asking a question. Okay, so just to be clear, in this particular item about infrastructure and stormwater, et cetera, the items that are getting the points are the landscape buffer along the back, enhanced landscaping along the front, and the rain garden that you just mentioned on the southeast corner. So the blue roof and all that other stuff is yet to come, guys, in terms of points. All right, so ARB awarded 4.42 points or yeah. staff recommended five. I know we have some folks that have, I know Becky, you have a comment, but I'm gonna go with the ward three alderman first. Are you happy with this point level of the plan commission? Wanna change it at all?

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think it's a little hard. I mean, really appreciate the rain garden and certainly the landscaping is gonna look a lot better in the front than it does now. You know, I would have guessed that staff looked at this more in depth in terms of really kind of comparing what's appropriate. So, I mean, certain I mean, I guess I would be okay with the four to five range. You know, people feel strongly about going a little bit lower, that would be fine. I do appreciate the rain garden, especially since the street slopes down. You know, there's not a ton of space in the front of the building, you know, so I don't know how much enhanced front yard landscaping can happen. So that's, I guess what I would be a little bit concerned about that we're providing points for an area that's not really very big.

Any comments, Gary?

Well, to me, to some extent the jury's still out on the question of buffering. I still think the challenge for all of us, including certainly Midas is to satisfy this dilemma that we now have in terms of the potential loss of the trees in the back. and how the buffering can be further enhanced to potentially make up. I understand there's the age issue of the trees, but that being said, I think there still is a way to improve the buffering and really make it outstanding and perhaps deal with the possible loss of some or all of the trees in the easement area. I would be willing to give it a five with an asterisk, which is that I'd still like to see what the final buffering in the back looks like. And it looks like that's still to be determined.

Not anything more than what's been said. I'd go along with a four or five.

I'm struggling to figure out how the rain garden is going to work, but I believe you that it would just wouldn't. And would it be maintained for a long period of time? I think it's sustainable there. It would be a great thing. I also wondered too with the buffering, with the bioswale and all, if we're talking about trees or something with more height, how that fits in with the buffering. I may be confused on that. But before, maybe before.

I just thought of one question, you know, along the along foresight, you obviously having you're going to have some street trees. And one of the problems we often have with our street trees is that they die. They die because they don't have enough room to grow. They don't get enough water. And I'm wondering if you are putting any doing anything different there underground that would that would increase the, you know, the health of the trees.

I've actually had a lot of experience doing street projects and looking at street trees and what results in their longevity and growth. A lot of it has to do with compaction from sidewalks and the ability to create a less compressed zone where the roots can expand. And so our intention is to utilize silva cells at those tree wells to expand that root area at those trees.

Is there anything more that can be done? Because I know we often use the silver cells and still the trees struggle oftentimes. I'm just wondering, do you know of other things that could be done to further enhance that? Selection of the

right varieties has shown success. Obviously we're gonna have to get more in depth and looking at that issue to see if there's other opportunities for us to improve that growth. But yes, our intention is for viable large trees. We can irrigate them. Generally, that's another method of putting the tube irrigation. I think early on providing the water bags as the trees mature has been successful as well, but

That would be awesome. I think that would really, that would really be. We'll

discuss that when we talk about the parking spaces.

Yeah. Because

of the maintenance concern after dedication.

Are you looking at

native?

I

mean,

I think if, as far as I can tell, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm okay with the points, but I don't think you'd get any points for enhanced front yards. So you've got points for the rain garden and the buffer along the back. That's four. And so if I would really, I'm just going to not say anything about taking it down, but I would love to, I want to challenge you to irrigate those trees. Yeah. For us. Yeah. Okay. Great. Thank

you. Yeah. So

go

on. I know you can't see me there. So I'm going to keep interrupting so you don't forget about me. You just have to shout at me and go, hey, I wanted to say something. I'm not trying to interrupt, but I know that you're trying to manage a lot there. So I want to cut exactly the point that you were just making, Mayor, I think is important for us to look at really what are we evaluating here? Not whether or not we want to approve this project. I like a lot of things about this project, and I'm super excited about that site being developed. But this particular code standard is allowing us to give points for the establishment of on-site common areas, landscape buffers, expanded sidewalks, et cetera. And when I read the proposed public benefit from the developer, it's the landscape buffer, which matches the code, enhanced front yard landscaping, which isn't necessarily part of this and which I don't believe is significant enough to warrant points based on what we've seen. And the rain garden, understanding that it might have been a more recent consideration in the plan and that's why there's not more information on like its size and structure an actual function I would prefer not to award points for it until we have that information right so give the developer the opportunity to say okay if we really wanted to put a rain garden here knowing the slope knowing how much space we have to work with in our current site plan like what can we actually do and present that to us so that we can determine whether it warrants an additional two points. And until then, my suggestion would be that we award two points for the landscape buffer.

Question. Sorry, if the concern was expressed about the street crossings and everything else, and under this particular section as well, it talks about curbs, streets, sidewalks. Are there any thoughts on how to make that corner safer? for the crossing, would that be something that would fall under this or?

You know, people, you know, I know it's not what people like to do, but people need to cross at the intersection crosswalks. That's the safe place to cross. Anytime you have, even if we installed the crosswalk as we've now, we've gone through this many, many times on many, many projects. And even in our neighborhoods, if we install a crosswalk where it's not expected, it's a dangerous, it's a Chief and Matt, our public works director to really get this down. So I think that's the answer to that. I don't think we would wanna put in a crosswalk in the middle of that curve. They need to go to the crosswalk, the corner. Okay, let's try this one more time. Do we wanna change the points right now or do you wanna just? you know, leave it as is and let them get back to us with more specifics on the rain garden and hopefully more on watering the street trees. Rich?

I would, if we can get the commitment on the watering the street trees, I think that's a significant enhancement. So I would leave it at what the ARB put.

That's fine with me too. I do think there's just, there is a lot kind of up in the air here with the buffer in the back. You know, we really don't know what's going to happen with the utility line. So I think that if the utility lines have to come down, kind of figuring out what, if there are any additional trees that we can buffer on the Brighton Way side. So I just think there is a, We do have a little bit of kind of territory here that's kind of unknown at this point, including, you know, as Becky mentioned, you know, just providing a little bit more idea of what a rain garden might look like. What are the points?

Would you be okay with just leaving it the way it is, knowing that we're going to have to come back and really rehash it anyway?

That's fine.

Okay. Everybody over here okay with that? Okay. That's what we'll do, Becky. Now we're going to having to dig in on it again, so we'll just kind of leave it as it is. The next one is sustainable building design and construction. You've said you're going to comply with LEED Silver, which is awesome. I'm assuming, well, why don't someone tell us about how you're going to achieve that?

This is on the building itself, correct?

Exactly. So, David, one of the last, for another project you brought up that you thought that this in particular meant that there should be a point awarded for each sustainable feature of the building,

correct? Correct. The ordinance, and you can see it on the table there, it's B5A through H under that particular section, and that contemplates allowing one point for each one of the features that's listed in A through H, which is electric vehicle charging stations. I don't have the provision up in front of me, but I did state in the other hearing that there was opportunity there for additional points with those features. Charging stations would be one on this particular project that isn't listed.

Sustainable or renewable materials was definitely another one. Both of those, obviously we're going to incorporate into this project. So my point is that although we asked for one point, it was misunderstanding that it was a a design standard rather than a feature. So I can at least indicate that there's probably four listed in your details that we would ascribe to include in this project, but off the top of my head, charging stations and renewable materials and sustainable materials would be three.

Okay, and so just for clarification on this particular requirement, Are we going to award points essentially on each item they accomplish in terms of lead or is it just an overall point?

The ordinance actually lists a number of features as he had stated, electric vehicle charging stations, use of sustainable materials. There's a number of things. It looks like Kevin and maybe Ana have it up. But I do think that this is one that probably needs to be revisited. Take a look at that chart and revise that. But I think this will end up being

Definitely more

points than one, probably around four or so.

Okay.

Sure. Sure.

Kevin can't be heard if

he's speaking. I'm sorry. My microphone was off. Excuse me. The table that allocates points allows point allocation provides zero to one point per design standard. And as David mentioned, the design standard under Section B-5 identifies the following features. Sustainable building design and construction above the minimum required to apply for PUD rezoning, including but not limited to A, efficient heating and cooling systems, B, alternative energy sources such as solar. C, appropriate building siting. D, reused or recycled building materials. E, on-site power generation, solar, ground source, heat pumps, wind power. F, on-site waste management such as green roofs that filter and control stormwater runoff. G, use of renewable sources for construction materials. And H, inclusion of at least three publicly available vehicle charging stations, each one of which under the table could achieve one point.

Thank you. Okay, we'll move on and you guys will relook at that when you get together. Okay. The next one is projects which provide and protect green infrastructure. So planned and managed networks of open spaces, natural vegetation for capturing and storing stormwater runoff, sorry, bioswales, green roofs, and rain gardens. So we've got rain gardens already under another category. So the bioswale and the blue roof or what are generating the points here, it seems like? Anything I'm ignoring? I

think there was a question Becky might've had about what was involved in the bioswale. And the bioswale is essentially understory plantings in that drainage area with the remainder of our conifers and buffer screen that would again filter and absorb storm water.

All right, Ward 3 Alderman, any comment on this and the points awarded?

No, we talked about, I'm just wondering from a process perspective though, like if we're giving, I mean, can you get double points? Because if we're giving points for LEED related to the like blue roof, do you also get points here? I'm just trying to understand from a- No,

I don't think you can do, you can double dip. Yeah, so. Oh, double dipping. That's why I pointed out the rain garden is already something else and the lead silver. I mean, I'm imagining that there's enough on the item three that they won't need to use the blue roof.

This is a spot in the code too where it starts to repeat itself and in various categories list the same thing kind of multiple times. So you end up getting points multiple times for the same item. but you can't

get multiple points to the same item.

I'm not sure. I'm just saying how the code is structured, that it gives these points over and over again for the same types of features. So that's something we talked about briefly with the plan commission as well.

I think you've got enough that you don't have to do that. So, I mean, if you divide it up. And so in terms of this particular item, item the bioswale hasn't yet been considered right and the blue roof doesn't need to be part of the lead silver in fact it's above and beyond that i assume so i don't know does anybody have any questions about any of that comments i'm just

going to comment i thought the blue roof i don't think was discussed but maybe it's worth mentioning again i thought it was interesting at the prior plan commission most people are familiar with a green roof and i think the point david made at the last meeting was that a green roof doesn't really make any sense if there's nobody to look down on it of course

well the people at the hotel will look down on it

i think you could you know from space you could probably see it but in any event the blue roof seems to make a lot more sense here and i think it's in that respect, a progressive sort of inclusion in this project.

Yeah. I think it's an innovative approach. Maybe we'll see more of it in Clayton. Yeah. All right. We can move on. I think to Becky, you have any other comments? Just check.

I would just add, I think, I mean, I appreciate the attempt to maybe kind of just clarify the what the different features are here and where we're getting the points for them, right? So I don't, you know, if we're going to give points for a rain garden, is it, should it actually be here or should it be above, et cetera? I don't, so if we can just make sure of like, and it sounds like what the staff is going to do to break out that third line, especially will probably help us with that when we go to finalize this. So thank you.

moving on to the fourth category, the inclusion of below grade parking, which meets the parking requirements for the project. And that is allowed as many as five points. And you know, you guys have 100% of your parking below grade, which is awesome. Any comments, questions? Ward three? No. Rich, any comment? No. Okay, I think that's kind of an easy one. Any other? There's no comments from the Zoom. Okay. The last one is the art. So a significant form of public art in any media that has been planned and executed for private property and to be outside and accessible to the public. public art will be provided in front of the building along Forsyth. I think you've got three points for this. I think you mentioned more than one location for public art though. So maybe when you get together, you want to just clarify exactly where you're going to put public art. I don't know if your points will stay the same or grow, but possible they would grow with enough public art. Again, I just want to say it sounds like you're on a really good track with how you're looking at that. And we want you to have the time to choose something that's really a standard of excellence. We've got a lot of great public art here in Clayton, some of which we don't own, which is why it's so great, but that's your competition. So we appreciate your efforts there. So as it stands, This is totaling up to 20 points. I realize there may be a little fluctuation up and down on various things. I think what the, we've got some questions that are outlined in terms of the power lines, et cetera. And we'd love to hear more about street trees and all that stuff. So I think what we'll do is I will, unless anybody has any other comments or questions, I will close. Okay, go ahead.

Thank you. I would like to better understand, I understand we won't know what the art will look like at this point and I'm okay with that. I appreciate the general thought, but I'd also like to better understand where it will go because just like we talked about, there's not a common area in front of the building because it's along the street line, which I think is good. I'd like to understand where there is space for this public art. So where will it actually be? And it might be because I'm not good at reading a diagram and imagining it to scale. Go

ahead. Well, the intent in our submission was that there would be a monumental piece at the entrance, really at our monumental entry. And so the thought was that we would And again, it's difficult to exactly place it in the landscape until we know exactly what it is and how big it is. But the thought would be that we would take and modify this stair to create a pedestal or extension of that upper paving to provide a location here centered on the large massing here for the monumental piece. And then the pieces in the landscape, it again depended on what we were able to find. You saw a couple of images It's up at the top. As we began looking at art, there were some that just naturally wanted to be collections of individual pieces along the walkway. So elements like this. We would place these adjacent to the pedestrian pathway so that and lighted appropriately so that it had an impact both day and night, but also was within proximity of the public to be able to enjoy that. And so placing them might be difficult until we finalize exactly what the pieces are, the intent was one major piece in that location that I pointed to earlier. And then in the, let me go back to our plan here. So then the others as we identified would be along this sidewalk at intermediate points along the public way. Okay.

That sounds good to me. Thank you. So, again, thank you very much. What I'll do now is close the public hearing and we can move forward to have a first reading. Alderman

Lentz. Do we want to have the first reading?

It seems

like there's a lot of

still a lot

of stuff out there that we're waiting to hear about. No?

Well, I think Well, I don't know that it makes a whole lot of difference, but I think we can have the first reading to kind of get it established here and we can make all our modifications and have the final, hopefully a final reading on the next go round. Any advice from Kevin?

No, I don't have any advice. Completely up to you whether you believe the bills.

I guess my concern is that while I believe we're going to get there, I don't think we actually have 20 points in our pocket yet because there's a lot of people wondering about the LEED silver, about the buffer. So I guess I'm just questioning that.

OK. That's fine. My understanding is there's a lot more to lead silver than. A

way to address that is if you wish to make a motion to table the bill for the next agenda.

We can do that. I think it doesn't really matter one way or the other. I'm happy

to make a motion table it to the next meeting.

I will

second that.

All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that's good. We'll consider it tabled. I think that's a good resolution. All right. Thank you all for your patience and working with us to resolve all these issues. And once we get them all resolved, I know we can look forward to. Mayor, the next

item on the agenda is a related bill.

Oh, that's true. So would we be needing to table it?

It's up to you. It is ministerial. Do you want to do first reading on that bill? I don't think there's any discussion about

it. Yeah, okay. So all right, let's do that. Thank you. Do you want to give a report first or?

I actually gave it as part of the last report. This is simply a lot consolidation for the properties.

Then I'll move to introduce Bill 6902 in order to approve the plot consolidation of 8220 and 8260 Forsyth Boulevard. The Forsyth curve for the Forsyth curve project to be read for the first time by time only.

Second. Any discussions, questions? Okay, Mr. City Attorney.

Bill number 6902, first reading an ordinance providing for the approval of a plat to consolidate certain property located on Forsyth Boulevard in the city of Clayton, Missouri.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. Alderman

Lentz.

If I may, Mayor.

My guess would be the applicant would not like to have this passed without approval of their development. I think one reading would be fine.

Okay, very good. In that case, do we need to make any other motions? All right, very good. Robert's rules. All right, so I think we then can move on. Again, thank you very much. for your patience and instruction and education. Yeah. All right. I think we have more from the city manager.

Yes, appointments to boards and commissions. So first we'll go over the... citizen appointments. First is the following individuals who have expressed interest in being appointed to or continuing to serve as a member of the following boards or commissions of the city. Mayor Harris has reviewed and agrees with the recommendations for appointment or reappointment to the respective board or commission, and therefore submits the following nominations for the board's considerations. For the Board of Appeals, Helen DiFate of Ward 1. For the City Plan Commission slash ARB, Bob Denlow of Ward 1 and Kami Waldman of Ward 3. to the Economic Development Advisory Committee, Anthony Kirk of Ward 1, Public Art Advisory Committee, Sally Pinkard, Ward 2, Redistricting Boundary Commission, Laura Horowitz, Ward 1, Lisa Humphries, Ward 2, and Kathleen Gund of Ward 3. And finally, the Sustainability Committee with Bill Chamberlain of Ward 2 and Jeff Leonard of Ward 3. Staff recommends that the Board of Aldermen consider the appointments.

Yes, appointments to boards and commissions. So first we'll go over the... citizen appointments. First is the following individuals who have expressed interest in being appointed to or continuing to serve as a member of the following boards or commissions of the city. Mayor Harris has reviewed and agrees with the recommendations for appointment or reappointment to the respective board or commission, and therefore submits the following nominations for the board's considerations. For the Board of Appeals, Helen DeFate of Ward 1. For the City Plan Commission slash ARB, Bob Denlo of Ward 1 and Kami Waldman of Ward 3. to the Economic Development Advisory Committee, Anthony Kirk of Ward 1, Public Art Advisory Committee, Sally Pinkard, Ward 2, Redistricting Boundary Commission, Laura Horowitz, Ward 1, Lisa Humphries, Ward 2, and Kathleen Gund of Ward 3. And finally, the Sustainability Committee with Bill Chamberlain of Ward 2 and Jeff Leonard of Ward 3. Staff recommends that the Board of Aldermen consider the appointments.

All right. Any discussion, questions about any of this?

Did you say a name for Ward 2 on redistricting? Yes, it's Lisa Humphreys.

Lisa Humphreyes. I believe the information was sent out through email yesterday.

It came in as a late sign up. Yeah. That's great. I appreciate it. Yeah. All right. Is Cammie

Waldman a new appointment

or a

reappointment to plan commission ARB?

Kimmy Waldman is a reappointment. She was appointed to serve the unfinished term of George Hedick. And

that was just a couple of

months ago. So this would be a full

term. Thank you. Any other questions? Becky, any other questions? No, thank you. Okay. All right. Then

I'll move to approve the appointments to the boards and commissions.

Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. Those are appointed. Congratulations to all those folks. Aldermanic assignments, Mr. City Manager.

Yeah, so I'm not going to go through these in detail. My understanding is that there are no changes and we just need a simple motion to approve.

Any discussion? I want to see if there's anybody who's going to

object to their. I'll move to approve the aldermanic assignments to the boards and commissions.

Second. Discussion. Okay. All those in favor?

Aye.

All right. That is complete. And our agenda is complete. We can go around and see if anybody has anything to share. Alderman

Lentz. No.

Okay. Alderman McAndrew.

I had, Becky and I had a CRSWC meeting that was very informative which I'm sure we'll hear more about but it's likely our membership fees will or they will go up at the center of Clayton in order to just match, you know everything that's going on and there hasn't been an increase in a number of years so but we had a really good discussion, I think it is really important to mention, though, that. There was a Center membership report and they really are seeing some very slow steady growth, especially since well bridge close so it's really there's some good news coming out of the Center which I think we all are anxious to hear. The Kids Center is open again, adult memberships are really up. Actually, this was something that I actually asked Tony to repeat. Adult memberships are up from where they were pre-pandemic. So adult memberships, we're not talking about like seniors and kids and families, but the actual adult memberships are where they were pre pandemic, which I think is great. So we also talked about the part-time salary schedule as well. And when we'll get everybody's salaries up to $15 an hour. So it was a very good meeting.

Let's just do that.

No.

I worked on the big B mural for DeMond Park and it's all signed now. It has to be some significant fundraising, but at least that was a big hurdle to get that thing. And I believe the work is going to start here in the next week or so. The prepping of the wall that's next to the one park, I think he's going to start on it essentially at the artist's risk, not CC, not the commission or the city. Obviously, the city's not involved. So anyways. That project I think is going forward and hopefully it will get done and be a nice addition to the park.

I was just going to share that. Becky, anything to share? Yeah, sorry about that. My mic was off.

Okay. I felt like you were looking at me. I was talking to you

and it's

like, okay. I was just going to share that I started the UMSL Economic Development Program. So I'm excited about that. Both the content and the programming, as well as the opportunity to meet other folks in our city and region interested in municipal stuff. So I'm so excited about that.

Good, I did that course too and I thought it was really great. I don't really have much, I do wanna just say there is the St. Louis County Municipal League annual meeting is Thursday night and we will be promoting Mayors for Meals again. And so I just wanna make sure that you all are aware of it. So I'll be mentioning it pretty much at every meeting from now until it happens. but we want to really encourage our respective constituents to participate more on that to come. There'll be some graphics flyers, things you can tweet, whatever from the St. Louis area food bank forthcoming. So that'll be happening June 20th through 24th.

Yes. I just remembered something. Okay. We did have a special sustainability committee meeting that I forgot it was a 10 minute meeting more or less simply to vote on the recommendation to send to ARB the allowing solar panels that are visible from the street. So it's being sent to ARB for their consideration.

I'm assuming the committee recommends yes on that.

Yes. Okay.

Yes. All right, anything further, David?

The only thing I would say is the CIP meeting that was scheduled for May the 20th and was canceled. We are looking at rescheduling that on Friday, June the 10th. So typically we have those Friday sessions on the third Friday. We're actually targeting the second Friday in June, which again is June 10th. So there'll be more to come on that.

All right, that's all we have. I'll take a motion to adjourn.

Move to adjourn.

Second. All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Okay. All right. We are done. Thanks, guys. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for hanging in there with us. Thank you. Bye.