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April 6, 2015 — Meeting Minutes
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13 Mr. Braswell noted it is all in Ladue.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if Ladue’s approval is necessary.
Mr. Braswell stated that Ladue is supportive; they want to see a landscape plan and they will need to secure a grading permit from them.
Jim Liberman made a motion to open the public hearing. The motion was seconded by Ron Reim and unanimously approved by the members.
Mr. Braswell noted that the 30 foot path will provide a connection to the Great Rivers Greenway which will be maintained by the owner via a maintenance and use agreement.
Chairman Lichtenfeld noted that although the public benefit this path is providing is not in Clayton, it will benefit both cities.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked why they are not building in Ladue.
Mr. Braswell indicated that Ladue does not allow multi-family structures.
A brief discussion regarding grades and the proposed basin took place with the project’s Civil Engineer Joe Grimes.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if the City will review the landscape plan.
Susan Istenes replied “yes”.
Jim Liberman commented that the two {basins} at Centene are not attractive.
Sally Cohn commented that the basin is more of a bio-retention area and that no mitigation is necessary for this project as there is no runoff increase.
A brief discussion regarding landscaping began. Sally Cohn commented that the basin will be dry during certain times of the year.
Ron Reim commented that Bald Cypress’s do good in wet or dry conditions.
Sally Cohn emphasized that the City is looking for canopy trees and that the basin won’t be attractive in the winter.
Mr. Braswell stated that they are willing to revisit the plantings, but the thought MSD had control.
with St. Louis County and proof a recording be submitted to the City prior to the issuance of a Building Permit. Due to a conflict of interest, Mark Winings recused himself and did not participate in any discussion and/or vote with regard to this proposal. He exited the member table. Chairman Lichtenfeld questioned staff recommendation No. 1 with regard to apartment tenant parking. He asked if staff recommends that parking be excluded from the apartment lease. Susan Istenes replied “yes”; emphasizing that parking should be unassigned; parking spaces should be free and open for anyone’s use. Mr. Braswell began a PowerPoint presentation; the first slide depicted an aerial photo of the site and the second, the proposed site plan. He noted the bike path (in Ladue) with a connection to Centennial Greenway Trail; he reiterated that no building will be within the City of Ladue. He noted that each garage access provides entry to only the lower level or first level of the garage; the levels are not interconnected. The locations of the proposed dog park and bicycle racks were shown as well as floor plans for the ground and first floors, including the proposed live/work units. The locations of the exercise facility and pool area with cabanas and fire pits were also shown. Slides depicting several color renderings and elevations were presented. Mr. Braswell noted that the proposed materials include cast limestone, red brick and stucco. He noted that the garage will be locked and inaccessible to the public from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m.
Braswell noted that the proposed materials include cast limestone, red brick and stucco. He noted that the garage will be locked and inaccessible to the public from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. He noted that the site slopes approximately 25 feet from north to south, which allows them to provide most of the parking below the building. He emphasized that the two parking levels are not connected. Additional elevation drawings were presented. Mr. Braswell noted that they introduced brick and stone elements as well as some windows on the garage levels to replicate the building and make it more unified. Chairman Lichtenfeld noted that at this time, the PUD aspect of the project is being considered and the architectural elements will be discussed at a later time. He asked about the connection to the trail.
Mr. Braswell stated that they are willing to revisit the plantings, but the thought MSD had control.
14 Jim Liberman stated that underground storage tanks can be a nightmare.
Mr. Grimes stated that this system filters out pollutants.
Ron Reim asked if it meets MSD guidelines.
Mr. Grimes replied “yes”.
Sally Cohn commented that most of the proposed new trees are Red Buds and that the City is looking for canopy trees; the only canopy tree being proposed is a Tilia Linden, which tend to be attacked by Japanese beetles. She asked if they would consider changing out a Red Bud for a canopy tree, noting the west side of the property and that people utilizing the swimming pool would appreciate a little relief from the sun. She added that there is space and the ability to incorporate canopy trees.
Mr. DeLong stated that River Birch are canopy trees.
Sally Cohn replied “sort of”. She asked for more diversity and canopy, including replacing Foster Hollies with American Hollies. She asked how big/tall the planters are along Maryland Avenue.
Louis Clayton referred to staff’s recommendation No. 3.
Sally Cohn asked that the planters along Gay Avenue be raised so they are not exposed to dogs and salt in the winter.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if all existing on-site trees are to be removed.
Mr. DeLong replied “yes”.
Jim Liberman asked about public art.
Mr. Braswell indicated that they are working with a lady from Kansas City and that he would be happy to share information.
Jim Liberman asked about a monument sign at the corner.
Mr. Braswell indicated because there’s not much room, it will be a vertical sign.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if the garage windows are simply for ventilation.
Mr. Braswell replied “no”, adding that they are actual windows.
Mr. Braswell replied “no”, adding that they are actual windows.
15 Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if the roll up grills will remain open during the day.
Mr. Braswell replied “yes”, adding that tenants will access the garage with a card after hours.
Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if the transportation engineer was in attendance.
Lee Cannon, traffic engineer with Crawford, Bunte & Brammeier, was in attendance. He informed the members that he was engaged by the City to perform a traffic and parking study with regard to this proposal. He indicated that City code would require well over 400 spaces for this development; however, in urban environments with shopping close by, parking requirements are down. He stated that they looked at a variety of standards as well as their experience to come up with their recommendation and that they looked at Clayton on the Park after the County moved out of 121 South Meramec. He noted that between 4 – 5 a.m. is the highest demand at 1.2 cars/unit and that leases rotate as well. He stated that 320 is the minimum comfortable number of spaces for 229 units which is 1.4 spaces/unit and that the developer is proposing 352 spaces which is a 1.55/unit ratio.
Ron Reim noted that the two parking levels are not connected.
Chairman Lichtenfeld stated that The Crossing project provides back up parking; however, here there is none. He asked the potential for outsiders to park in this garage.
Mr. Cannon stated that they do not believe back up parking is warranted for this project.
Josh Corson noted that there will be more spaces available during the day than at night.
Mr. Cannon agreed.
Jim Liberman asked Mr. Cannon to discuss the traffic issues.
Mr. Cannon noted that Maryland Avenue is a busy road as it provides access to the City from I-170.
Jim Liberman indicated that there is a lot of traffic westbound Maryland in the evening hours.
Mr. Cannon stated that it is their recommendation to add an eastbound Maryland Avenue right turn lane at Gay Avenue and that the existing traffic signal may need an adjustment.
Ron Reim asked about the right-of-way.
Louis Clayton indicated that the right-of-way dedication is shown on the subdivision plat.