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March 27, 2017 — Meeting Minutes

These are the minutes of the City Plan Commission/Architectural Review Board meeting of Clayton, Missouri, held March 27, 2017. The document records attendance, approval of prior minutes, and discussion and actions on agenda items including a site plan/architectural review for a new single‑family residence, and a conditional use permit request for an ice cream parlor at 730 DeMun Avenue (Clementine’s Creamery). Excerpts show staff descriptions of the ice cream parlor (space sizes, proposed hours, delivery schedule, seating counts, lack of off‑street parking and a requested parking waiver), staff recommendation to approve the conditional use, and portions of a separate larger redevelopment discussion that include landscaping, valet and delivery plans, traffic circulation concerns, and differing board member comments.
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2. The proposed north buffer wall on the east side of the site shall be a minimum height of

Mr. LeCessee replied “yes”.

12 Ms. King asked about the number of vehicles using Hanley Road as their building is only about 20 feet from this site. She asked about the apartments.

Mr. LeCesse stated that up to 50% of the apartment units will be 1 bedroom units; the rest will be a mix of 2 and 3 bedroom units.

Todd Newstead, Westwood Condo resident, asked if the truck lane will allow for through traffic.

Mr. LeCesse stated that’s not what is intended for this lane; however, it is a through road.

Hearing no further questions or comments at this time, Joanne Boulton made a motion to amend staff recommendation number 2 to read: “The proposed north buffer wall on the east side of the site shall be a sound attenuating barrier and be a minimum height of 13 feet from grade.” The motion was seconded by Josh Corson and unanimously approved by the Board.

Ron Reim made a motion to approve the project with the staff recommendations, as amended. The motion was seconded by William Lieberman and received the following roll call vote: Ayes: Craig Owens, Ron Reim, Josh Corson, and William Lieberman. Nays: Chairman Lichtenfeld and Joanne Boulton. Motion carries.

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Scott Wilson returned to the member table.

William Lieberman stated that he may have gone beyond on his opinions.

Chairman Lichtenfeld stated that he did not have to worry about expressing his opinion.

Scott Wilson assured the members that they won’t be embarrassed by the end result.

Joanne Boulton stated she is concerned about the pedestrian experience.

Josh Corson stated that the corner wouldn’t be pedestrian friendly anyway.

Joanne Boulton stated that she wants to be able to walk to the store/restaurant.

Ron Reim commented that he believes they still have a challenge with the County; he’s not confident this is a done-deal. He added he is not enthusiastic about the design, but he does want the site developed.

Joanne Boulton stated that it would be nice to know what the County wanted and that they (the applicant) may be back here anyway. She stated that she thinks the County is reluctant to have left turns onto Clayton Road.

LeCessee replied “no”. At this time, Chairman Lichtenfeld solicited audience comments.

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Patrick Berry, Westwood Condo Association, voiced concern about water run-off and the sound/noise factor also.

Ken Aston, 747 Middle Polo, stated that he can hear Highway 40 from his property and that this building may block a lot of that noise as well as noise from Clayton Road. He voiced support for the project; noting that he, and others, want a grocery store and that this is as pedestrian friendly as it can possibly be.

Mr. LeCesse stated that they will work with the City; that they are willing to cooperate, but he’s not sure what more they can do.

Josh Corson mentioned that he likes the architectural changes they made.

Mr. LeCesse noted that the change to the corner element is that the material is now brick (tan/sand color) and that there are a lot of windows.

Samples of both brick patterns were shown as well as several color renderings.

Chairman Lichtenfeld commented that he is still not inspired by the project and that the tweaks that were made more relate to the neighborhood; he still finds the architecture a problem.

Ron Reim agreed that although there have been improvements, it is still not there yet; the corner element needs better treatment, including landscaping. He noted that the area for outdoor dining is tight. He asked what material is being proposed for the base of the building along Westwood.

Mr. LeCesse indicated that it is it is cast stone; a sample was presented at the previous meeting.

Ron Reim asked if this is the same material as proposed for the retail space.

Mr. LeCesse replied “yes”.

Ron Reim commented that the addition of more brick is a big improvement.

Josh Corson stated that the project has come a long way and that it looks nice; although he would like to see a taller corner element. He added he is less concerned about the traffic at Westwood.

William Lieberman stated he agrees the project has come a long way and that he likes the cast stone on the Westwood side of the building.

Chairman Lichtenfeld commented that the colors of the cast stone and new brick are very similar.

William Lieberman stated he agrees the project has come a long way and that he likes the cast stone on the Westwood side of the building. Chairman Lichtenfeld commented that the colors of the cast stone and new brick are very similar.

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Craig Owens asked for confirmation that signage is not being considered this evening.

Susan Istenes confirmed.

Joanne Boulton asked where we are with the County decision.

Mr. Fredericks stated that County’s decision won’t affect the design.

Preston Dowd, co-developer, GBT Realty, stated that their traffic patterns are necessary for the retail use.

Ron Reim stated that he is struggling with the site development itself and questioned the result if this ended up being a residential-only project.

Mr. Dowd stated that parking would be affected and the need for the retail sales tax. He stated that this zip code is under-grocered in the Country. He stated that they looked at Richmond Heights and that they are under contract in St. Peters; he loves Clayton and this is the perfect blend of what this City needs.

Mr. Dowd questioned what came first; the Westwood Condos or the Schnuck’s grocery store.

The answer was the Westwood Condos.

Joanne Boulton stated that trucks servicing Schnuck’s never used Westwood Drive. She added that she agrees that the architecture gets a bit better each time around, but this is not what she hoped for and the difficulty getting bicycles, pedestrians and vehicles to coexist.

Marsha King, 900 South Hanley Road resident, asked what fronts Hanley Road.

Mr. LeCesse stated that there will be a restaurant on the corner and the rest will be retail use; the grocery store will occupy the middle of the site fronting Clayton Road.

Ms. King asked the hours of operation for the restaurant.

Mr. LeCessee indicated that he does not know that yet; but it won’t be open 24 hours.

Ms. King asked about the truck lane.

Ron Reim asked if he could use the truck lane.

Mr. LeCessee replied “yes”.

Joanne Boulton stated that it would be nice to know what the County wanted and that they (the applicant) may be back here anyway. She stated that she thinks the County is reluctant to have left turns onto Clayton Road.

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Chairman Lichtenfeld agreed; the County is a major hurdle they must get over.

Chairman Lichtenfeld asked if having this discussion while on the record is a problem.

Craig Owens replied “no”, noting that transparency is important; however, some of these discussions may have been better to have had during the earlier deliberations.

Having no further business before the Commission this evening, the meeting adjourned at 7:35 p.m.

_______________________________ Recording Secretary

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