So I would like to get your expert opinion on why they should be renovated, why we should make this investment at all and what happens if we don't? I think there's a lot of different layers to the answer to that. The first one I will start with is just dramatic question. It's a very dramatic question. It's a very dramatic question. If you look at the goals that came out of the very first workshop and the guiding principles and you try to lay that or stack that up against your existing buildings you fall short in a lot of areas in terms of flexibility, adjacencies between spaces that you would want to have, size of spaces and so forth, so like a lot of buildings and your buildings don't suffer from this so much but buildings of this age have been added on to so many times. Oftentimes daylight gets compromised because we're closing off windows to spaces and so forth, so I would say programmatically is definitely one part of this that would weigh heavily. I think if I were sitting in your seat and looking at thinking about the next 50 years, what is education going to look like? What does it look like today? You do great in your schools today. You're a really solid good school district.

You do great in your schools today. You're a really solid good school district. If you think about what is it going to look like 50 years from now and trying to set yourself up from a sustainability standpoint, a flexibility standpoint, those would all be considerations that I would be thinking about in terms of why you would want to be acting now and doing something with your buildings, so I think programmatically is one. The infrastructure is a whole other layer. I think that buildings of this age, those systems are just worn, right? You know, school districts do a great job of trying to maintain and a lot of school districts have an attitude of we fix it when it breaks, right? Deferred maintenance in terms of the way the commercial building sector does deferred maintenance typically does not happen in public school districts, so if you look nationally at deferred maintenance in public schools it's literally billions and billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars of need, so addressing that and setting yourself up again for the long term is really important and those all three of the elementary schools are more so in Glen Ridge and Merrimack because of the age of those buildings. I'm talking infrastructure now is a need, so I think there's a number of different layers in terms of your point in time today and looking out into the future why you would want to make the investment.

Deferred maintenance in terms of the way the commercial building sector does deferred maintenance typically does not happen in public school districts, so if you look nationally at deferred maintenance in public schools it's literally billions and billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars of need, so addressing that and setting yourself up again for the long term is really important and those all three of the elementary schools are more so in Glen Ridge and Merrimack because of the age of those buildings. I'm talking infrastructure now is a need, so I think there's a number of different layers in terms of your point in time today and looking out into the future why you would want to make the investment. So even though we have not deferred maintenance on those buildings there's still significant upgrades to infrastructure that need to be made just based on the age of the buildings is what I heard, right? In addition to the programmatic benefits of if you have to do them anyway then this would be the time to change the interiors because you have to take out the walls and you have to take out the... in order to get to the studs of the building to where you need to do this work. If you're going to do that then you should start thinking ahead. I think that's a great point. In fact that's an example that we use quite often when we're talking to school districts about doing a long range facility plan.

I think that's a great point. In fact that's an example that we use quite often when we're talking to school districts about doing a long range facility plan. At some point you need to change an air handler. Before you make that decision maybe the spaces that air handler serves need to change themselves, right? The configuration of those that maybe then is a different mechanical system solution so don't invest the money to make that first fix without understanding what the programmatic needs and do them both at the same time as possible. That's the best use of your taxpayer dollars that you're going to get I believe. And do you believe that we're doing that through this process? Absolutely. We're accomplishing that through this process? Absolutely. Great. Kim thank you for asking that and the way you summarized what he said was perfect so thank you because I think it actually helps all of us. That's what we're going to get asked by the community. Why are we doing this? Why do we need to be doing this? And I think that question and answer was helpful to me at least but I think helpful to everybody so thank you. Any other questions? Comments from anyone? Ben, Leo? Most of my questions have already been asked. Mine too. But I just had two questions. Kind of tactical I guess. So at Glenridge one of the big problems is moisture in the basement.

Kind of tactical I guess. So at Glenridge one of the big problems is moisture in the basement. Would that be remedied through this renovation or obviously the new building would be renovated or is that just built into the way it is? No. I think we would it's something that we are certainly aware of and we're looking at. In fact we have received a proposal from a forensic building experts to go in and take a look at those issues and advise us as a team on what the possible, what needs to happen relative to that. There is a lot if you can imagine if you look at those diagrams for Glenridge we're removing the large sections of the back side of the building so anywhere we're touching it there we can get down below grade and address any, we're covering it up with new construction so we should be addressing it there and we may need to go as far as doing some excavation around the perimeter of the building to do some exterior waterproofing to mitigate and do some drainage as well to pull water away and get water away from the building so there's a lot that we can do to help with that. Okay. I would like to note too we're also actively getting our mechanical engineer engaged on that process to look at the HVAC systems for Glenridge as well to tackle that component. Okay. Awesome. Thank you.